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Newsletter and Transcript of Rabbit Hole of Research Episode 83: The Mini: The Cloud

Fire Amoeba, Downtown Chicago Data Centers, Tempe Lake evaporation rates, and it’s confirmed, David is the first three time guest!

In Episode 83: The Mini, Joe, Nick, and Georgia recap Episode 82: Data Centers: Are We Really Blowing Up the Planet for AI Slop and Porn? with confirmed, three-peat returning guest and Friend of the Pod, David Pincus, PhD. The crew follows up on the CoreWeave/Hammond deal, corrects the Tempe Town Lake numbers, and it’s way more than Joe thought. Georgia talks about discovering a massive data center in downtown Chicago. In Science Holes, Joe discusses the fire amoeba and Nvidia claims to reduce data center water use to near zero. Plus the crew takes you down the Media Hole of what they have been watching, reading, and playing.

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Science Holes:

  1. Newly Discovered Fire AmoebaArticle: Rappaport, H. B. et al. Preprint at bioRxiv https://doi.org/10.1101/2025.11.24.690213 (2025).A newly discovered organism, Incendiamoeba cascadensis, nicknamed the fire amoeba, was found living in the hot springs of Lassen Volcanic National Park in Northern California’s Cascade Mountain Range. It can thrive at temperatures up to 64°C making it the most heat-tolerant eukaryotic cell ever discovered (they use electron microscopy!). This challenges the long-held notion that complex cells with a nucleus can’t survive extreme temperatures the way bacteria and archaea can. The current bacterial heat record holder is Methanopyrus kandleri at 122°C. The upper heat limit for human cells is around 43°C/ 109°F, and not for long. A core body temperature reaching 40°C / 104°F causes heat stroke, and reaching 42°C / 107.6°F can cause irreversible organ damage or death, long before your core temperature gets to 43°C. And to Nick’s hot tub point: the comfortable hot tub temperature is 100°F – 102°F (37.8°C – 38.9°C) which is preferred by most Jacuzzi users lasting 15 to 20 minutes.2) AI Data Center Designed to Run Hotter and Uses Less WaterArticle: Nvidia says its AI data center design runs hotter to use a lot less water(The Verge)
    Nvidia claims that by switching to dry cooling combined with liquid loops they can run their servers at higher temperatures, up to 113°F (45°C). Which means their new data centers can cut water use to near zero. Amazon has also claimed higher heat tolerances for its air-cooled data centers. Nvidia’s does discuss the cost of building this style of data center compared to conventional air-cooled alternatives.

Science Terms

  • Eukaryote — an organism whose cells contain a nucleus and organelles; includes all animals, plants, fungi, and protists. Our cells are eukaryotic.
  • Prokaryote — an organism whose cells lack a nucleus; includes bacteria and archaea.
  • Extremophile — an organism that thrives in extreme environmental conditions such as high temperature, acidity, or pressure.
  • Protist — a diverse group of eukaryotic organisms that are not plants, animals, or fungi; amoebas fall into this category.
  • Cyst — a dormant, protective form some organisms can form to survive harsh conditions.
  • Archaea — single-celled microorganisms similar to bacteria but genetically distinct; many are extremophiles.
  • Liquid cooling — a method of removing heat from hardware using liquid (typically water or coolant) circulated through pipes directly in contact with heat-generating components.
  • Dry cooler — a heat exchanger that uses outside air and fans to cool a circulating liquid, without using water evaporation, unlike a cooling tower.
  • Cooling tower — a conventional system that uses water evaporation to dissipate heat from industrial processes and data centers.
  • Liquid loop — a closed circuit of coolant that absorbs heat at the source and carries it away to be released elsewhere.

Media Holes: What the Crew is Digging:

TV and Films

  • Trying — Apple TV+
  • Dark Matter Season 2 — Apple TV+
  • Lanterns — HBO/Max

Movies

  • Vacation Friends — 2021

Books

  • Bird by Bird — Anne Lamott, 1995
  • Intrigue — Silvia Moreno-Garcia, 2025 
  • The Girls We Send Away — Meagan Church, 2024

Video Games

  • 007: First Light — IO Interactive, 2025

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Transcript

[00:00:00] joe: Hey, welcome back to the Rabbit Hole of Research down here in the basement studio for the mini

[00:00:09] Nick: The mini bomb

[00:00:12] joe: Da-da-dun-da-dun. You’ve got me, Joe

[00:00:16] Nick: You got neck

[00:00:17] joe: got Nick.

[00:00:18] georgia: Georgia

[00:00:19] joe: got Georgia here talking about the cloud. We had David Pincus on with us talking

[00:00:29] Nick: us in the cloud here,

Joe?

[00:00:31] joe: center, I can find you in the cloud. Wanted to clean some stuffs up out of that episode. People ask questions, so I confirmed that David was the first three-time guest, so he’s officially in the lead.

But we got Bill Halliar and Reed locals Melissa are hot on his heel with their third appearances coming in October. [00:01:00] So who will

make it to

[00:01:03] Nick: doesn’t, last long, does it?

[00:01:05] georgia: He’s coming.

[00:01:05] joe: No. Who will make it to four? So

that was,

[00:01:10] Nick: my money’s on David.

[00:01:12] joe: David.

He… You’re right

[00:01:13] Nick: he’s gonna come on early next year. He’s gonna be like, “Hey, I heard my title’s at risk,” and he’s gonna be like, “Yeah, this is where we’re

[00:01:20] joe: And Bill and Melissa usually are in the horror month, so that’s when they usually come in. So that, that puts them in October. It’s a little disadvantage. I don’t know. We’ll see.

[00:01:29] georgia: see

[00:01:29] Nick: Gonna have to do two two episodes

[00:01:31] joe: Yeah,

[00:01:31] Nick: Halloween.

[00:01:33] joe: Have to get in there.

[00:01:36] georgia: So

[00:01:36] joe: So there was another thing that came up was about how many jobs were created by data centers after their construction is done.

So that was a question we didn’t have a answer on the mini. But the Brookings Institute, a little more than five, I just wanna thank you, Sid, on the episode. They’ve done some studies on this, and most, operational facilities, they employ seven [00:02:00] dozens to roughly 150 people on site for security, maintenance, and IT systems.

The larger campuses can support up to 200 permanent roles. So we’re talking somewhere between , several dozen to 200 people running these data centers. So not tons of jobs.

So, we were talking about local politics. CoreWeave in Hammond, Indiana, were trying to make a deal to build a big data center, and that vote was going to happen after the release.

And so following up on that, the deal actually expired, so it has not been approved. So it was a expiration of data center development agreement happened,

[00:02:46] Nick: Oh, yeah

[00:02:47] georgia: But that could come back.

[00:02:49] joe: They could make a different agreement, but the deal that Mary was talking about on that episode fell apart

And I’ll put all the links to all this stuff in the show notes. [00:03:00]

And we mentioned data centers mostly going up into dry places, and we kinda talked about it, but just reenter. They usually go there because of evaporative cooling. So you’re taking advantage of the very dry environment there.

And on that point about evaporative cooling, I had talked about the Tempe Town Lake in Arizona, and I said it loses 1 million gallons of water a year. I was off a little bit. It’s actually by this town, city of Tempe’s own reporting about 1.7 million gallons of water loss every day- What?

Leading to, you know, 600 million, 650 million gallons a year that never go back into the Colorado River.

[00:03:44] georgia: What? And

[00:03:45] joe: yeah. So that’s right. So the v- it’s kind

of this artificial

[00:03:49] Nick: huge– Like don’t they do environmental checks and all that? Like

[00:03:54] joe: Yeah, they pay credits and they fill it back up and,, people go fishing. They stock it with trout and stuff like that, [00:04:00] so everyone’s happy to have a artificial lake in the middle of the desert. And to put that in context,

context,

a medium-sized data center can consume up to 110 million gallons of water every year, and large facilities can be between one million and five million gallons of water every day peak demand.

So that’s about 350 million to 1.8 billion gallons of water for a big facility. So these data centers are, some of these artificial lakes that are out there are, in that same wasteful kind of, of water loss area. And for houses, a single home uses about 300 gallons of water per day,

And about 70%, this is Nick, you had asked about how that water is used at a home, 70% is indoor use. The bathroom is the largest portion of that. And outdoor water is about 30% for watering gardens and things like that. In regions like Arizona, Georgia, I [00:05:00] mentioned flood kind of irrigation of lawns it goes up to about 60% of the home’s total water usage is for watering lawns out there in the sunny state of Arizona.

[00:05:12] Nick: Just saying So

you’re responsible.

[00:05:15] joe: So yeah, so that’s our how we use water. So when we talk about these data centers and water use, at a personal level, we don’t use as much, like we’re not get- approaching millions of gallons a day, but we still are fairly wasteful. But just something to think about .

So yeah, that was all, that’s what I had. Some of the things we talked about and putting some facts and numbers to it, just put it all in perspective. But

[00:05:43] Nick: I feel like this is– this wasn’t as dark of an episode as we could and have gone for some of these

[00:05:51] joe: Yeah, no, it was pretty good. I thought it was well-balanced the pros and cons of it all, like we talked about.

[00:05:59] georgia: [00:06:00] I do think data centers are necessary in the fact that we’re using them for computing But do we need exponentially- Right, Mm-hmm … increase

Yeah, no, it was pretty good. I thought it was you know, it was well-balanced the pros and cons of it all, you know, like we talked about I mean, I do think data centers are necessary in, in, in, oh, I mean, in the fact that we’re using a lot of computing and we are using a lot of storage, but do we need to exponentially- Right

increase them and make all these huge data centers? And it seems like it’s only to support these, billionaires and these people that I feel like it’s just gonna be a bubble that’s gonna get burst anyway. And so who’s gonna end up really paying for that- Right … and the cost of that?

[00:06:34] joe: Right. Yeah. Yep. No, I think

[00:06:38] Nick: always seems to be the, the final question is what is the actual cost?

[00:06:43] joe: And what are we using it for, and is it worth that cost, right? ‘Cause I think there are things Talking about water and then when we

[00:06:49] georgia: Whatever you’re using it for, you know, is it worth that cost? Right, and especially talking about water. I know when we lost power recently I thought, and I really do feel like, I mean, it was bad and it was like 10, 11 days without power, but all I kept thinking was like, [00:07:00] as long as we still have water, you know what I mean?

I think not

[00:07:05] Nick: Oh, 100%.

[00:07:06] georgia: having water is- Right … yeah. So it’s just really scary to think about, but.

[00:07:13] joe: I mean, we need water to live. Can’t live very long without it, so it, of course, it’s gonna be top o’ mind when we think about it, so,

[00:07:22] georgia: But I did walk past a data center when I was in Chicago. It’s in the neighborhood of M- McCormick Place, and I’m just walking by and then , my friend that lives there is like, “Oh, what is this building?” And it’s this really historic building. But it was a data center and you really couldn’t hear anything.

Mm-hmm. But I guess what it was is it was built into this existing building-

[00:07:50] joe: Mm-hmm

[00:07:51] georgia: and in such a way that it was so isolated inside that you didn’t end up hearing it.

[00:07:59] joe: it, right. [00:08:00] Was it a small… probably a

smaller- Yeah,

Huh?

A smaller data center?

[00:08:04] georgia: I think that was a really pretty big building. One of those really big historic buildings- Mm-hmm

and they took up the whole… But I should have probably done more research before this

[00:08:16] joe: to

[00:08:16] georgia: like say which data center and how big it was. Yeah. But I was really surprised that-

[00:08:22] joe: Yep

[00:08:23] georgia: Yeah … that it was right there in the middle of the city- Mm-hmm … and I would’ve had no idea. Yeah.

[00:08:29] joe: Yeah.

[00:08:30] georgia: Mean-

[00:08:30] Nick: Yeah, I don’t think I would’ve known

[00:08:32] georgia: but I do think, so it really depends on some urban planning and, how these things are done.

And then we talked about this in the episode a little bit, but also how can those data centers be built in a way that can be using some of the byproducts,

wisely,, like a greenhouse or… You know what I mean? Like we talked a little bit about that.

[00:08:58] joe: So quickly [00:09:00] looked, it’s the Lakeside Technology Center.

It’s right next to the McCormick Place Convention Center, managed by Digital Re- Realty. The building was originally a printing facility for telephone books which no one uses those, Me

[00:09:16] georgia: which, who uses those? Repurpose … now housing a giant data hub,

[00:09:17] joe: a giant data hub,

and it really… I was gonna mention, usually in the cities, it acts as a major carrier for the hotel as internet connectivity hub for the Midwest, powering cloud services, social media, and city infrastructure.

So that’s right there.

[00:09:33] georgia: Yeah.

[00:09:35] joe: People don’t even realize that, so yeah. But right downtown, yeah. It’s cool looking at some of the pictures. Put those links the

the in the show notes

[00:09:45] Nick: Oh, is it a small– So it is a smaller one though, right? Like

[00:09:48] georgia: pretty

[00:09:49] joe: Yeah, it looks like a fairly large…

It’s 1.1 million square feet of space. Cooling racks, tanks outside hold 8.5 million gallons of liquid, and [00:10:00] so they’re not using fresh water directly from Lake Michigan. They’re using a closed loop system that they’re using to chill probably, yeah, so they chill the water down using water chillers, and then that’s distributed through in this kind of closed loop system, so.

, probably can do a little more research, but I’ll throw this link in there, and folks can go down the rabbit hole.

[00:10:22] Nick: Hell yeah

[00:10:24] joe: so as these things pop up, you might see it in your neighborhood near you

[00:10:30] Nick: I hope not.

[00:10:32] georgia: Right

[00:10:32] joe: yeah. Or at least hopefully they plan for it or they do something like we talked in the episode, community gets involved

[00:10:38] georgia: know what?

[00:10:39] joe: there’s benefits somehow.

[00:10:41] georgia: you know, so Just looking at how, I’m not gonna name names, but how certain utility companies Mm-hmm It seems… Anyway

[00:10:50] Nick: are we not allowed to drop

[00:10:52] joe: looking at how, I’m not gonna name names, but how certain utility companies Yeah It seems… Anyway. Going out about it and dropping names. But, yeah. I’m just,

[00:10:53] georgia: I’m just saying I don’t know if I trust-

[00:10:55] joe: I don’t know … trust- But we’ll see. I may not sound… [00:11:00] Industries build and you gotta take what you can and control what you can.

So- Yeah … either they come in and you don’t ask for anything, and then they still come in and you get nothing or, work, try to work with them and hold their feet to the fire and make it work, so.

[00:11:13] georgia: Yeah, I don’t know.

[00:11:14] joe: Yeah, I don’t know. But yeah. Otherwise, got some events coming up. After this release, I’ll be doing some readings at Printers Row Wine, September 19th, an art show October 10th, and-

[00:11:29] georgia: print festival October 3rd … a

[00:11:31] joe: 3rd.

Print Festival Georgia that’s going out, the inaugural 4th Street Print Fest. So we’ll put links to all of these. There’s a family day at the Smart Museum. I’ll be giving some demonstrations and a lecture. And in December, I’ll be doing a return to an art and science series, do another lecture about the science of zombies. and we’ll remind you of all these, let’s have it, if you subscribe to the newsletter you’ll see all these dates in there, and we’ll be updating it.

[00:11:58] Nick: Oh, [00:12:00] dang.

[00:12:00] joe: be a lot of fun, but Revisiting zombies. So yeah. So bunch of things

coming

[00:12:05] Nick: don’t you also have a calendar that is coming out or came out, right?

[00:12:10] georgia: thanks. Yeah. Yeah, well, we got it from the printer, so it is available. Touch of Noir 2027 wall calendar.

[00:12:19] joe: And people who, if you’re subscribed to the newsletter, get that email. It’s been in there for a little bit. People got the pre-orders. I know a few people have gotten their calendars already that ordered on there, and it’s still time to get a calendar, so- Plenty of time before the- Yep

[00:12:34] georgia: know a few people have gotten their calendars already that ordered on there, and there’s still time to get one. Right. Plenty of time before the new year

[00:12:35] joe: You’ll see

[00:12:35] Nick: Oh, wait, one more thing. Hey, Joe, do you can you also throw, go ahead and throw in the link to your reading that you did what, last week?

[00:12:43] joe: Oh, the yes, with Sarah. Yep, friends.

[00:12:47] georgia: And I really

[00:12:48] joe: I knew it The Zoom link. Yes, I, I, yep, yep, I actually

[00:12:51] Nick: ‘Cause,

[00:12:51] joe: can do that, yeah

[00:12:53] Nick: I didn’t listen to it live, but, , going back and using that link for the, you know, already recorded session,

[00:12:59] joe: [00:13:00] Mm-hmm. On

[00:13:00] Nick: just as good.

[00:13:01] joe: Yeah.

[00:13:02] georgia: I knew it tasted good Yeah,

[00:13:02] Nick: one knows.

[00:13:03] georgia: wasn’t it good?

[00:13:05] Nick: one knows the difference that it wasn’t live.

[00:13:07] georgia: it was just some great writing. Wow

[00:13:10] Nick: But

[00:13:11] joe: Yes. That was really fun. I had a good time. Read poetry for the most part. So I’ll throw that link in there so that’s there.

Yeah, Sarah did putting that together really great, and I think it’s a series that she does every quarter it

[00:13:25] georgia: it sounds like. It’s called Words…

[00:13:27] joe: yeah. Words, friends, and- Words

[00:13:30] georgia: With Friends? Yeah

[00:13:32] joe: just Words and then a couple backslashes, Friends with Sarah. So, but yeah, I’ll put the link to the YouTube channel with that so that you can go check it out and see me read and see the other four poets that yeah, did a great job.

It was very inspiring and cool. All right. You guys wanna keep motoring [00:14:00] along? Go down the science holes

[00:14:03] Nick: Yeah, let’s go on down.

[00:14:05] joe: Let’s do it. All right. You

wanna

[00:14:07] Nick: honest with you, I didn’t prepare for this week.

[00:14:10] joe: You didn’t

prepare

[00:14:12] Nick: is prepared.

[00:14:12] joe: Well,

[00:14:13] Nick: George, are you…

[00:14:16] georgia: that I wanted to visit, but then I didn’t give any heads up on it, so then I feel like I have to wait on those, but- All right.

[00:14:23] joe: have some science holes that I wanted to visit, but then I didn’t give any heads up on it, so then I feel like I have to wait on those, but- All right. I got two really quick since, it’s

[00:14:26] georgia: since, Like- Do you want me to pull out one of mine?

[00:14:28] joe: I’ll go through my two, and if you feel motivated, we can do it.

So cool and is that the newly discovered amoeba that likes it hot. So this am- the amoeba- I

[00:14:40] georgia: it

[00:14:40] joe: it … we had talked about it. It’s in… It’s kind of a protist, so it’s not plant, fungus, bacteria. It’s in its own eukaryotic family, a little different, and it’s called the fire amoeba Incendieamoeba

[00:14:54] georgia: amoeba

[00:14:56] joe: cassidinis, which translates to fire amoeba.[00:15:00]

It was discovered at the Lassen Volcanic National Park in Northern California’s Cascade Mountain Range. What’s really special was that a lot of eukaryotes, so remember eukaryotes have a nucleus, they have organelles. We’re– Our cells are all eukaryotic versus prokaryotic, which are like bacteria cells, and don’t have a nucleus.

One of the distinguishing features that separate the two. And so most eukaryotes cannot live at extreme temperatures like that. But this organism can live up to 64 degrees Celsius.

[00:15:35] georgia: I ask a question?

[00:15:37] joe: Sure. Is

[00:15:38] georgia: Is it an extremophile?

[00:15:40] joe: And that’s exactly right.

It

[00:15:41] Nick: did I know that’s where

[00:15:43] joe: It would be… I was getting there. It would be an extremophile. Exactly right. And if we think of bacteria, like the bacteria and archae extremophiles they can withstand even much hotter temperatures all the way up to, like, 122 degrees Celsius. [00:16:00] So, a few species of fungi and red algae held the previous record for eukaryotes, and the upper limit for humans and other mammalian cells seems to be around 43 C. Kind of warm there. So 43 Celsius is about 109 degrees Fahrenheit,

[00:16:18] Nick: I have a question for you, Joe.

[00:16:19] joe: Yes

[00:16:21] Nick: I can go from these two extremes. Does that mean I’m an extremophile?

[00:16:25] joe: Went too extreme. Sorry

[00:16:27] Nick: you know, going really cold or up to 109.

[00:16:31] joe: No at 109 you’re gonna be dying, so

[00:16:34] Nick: No, you’re not. You’re at, like, a nice hot tub

[00:16:36] joe: No, that 109 Fahrenheit that’s above a fever. I’m talking about your core temperature. You can’t live at that. That’s … Or long. I mean, it’s pretty hot. Yep.

[00:16:46] georgia: Yeah.

[00:16:47] joe: 63 degrees Celsius is about 145 degrees Fahrenheit, so that’s there.

So, but yeah, that’s, that was cool to see that, and I talked about the record 122. [00:17:00] You’re getting up to,

251 degrees Fahrenheit, so that’s like, you know,

[00:17:04] georgia: close

[00:17:05] joe: close to boiling. So above boiling, yeah, ’cause 100 degrees Celsius is boiling water. So yeah, y- the bacteria can live in very high temperatures, some of them.

So that’s really fascinating that they discovered, and this, sets, you know, you kinda think about it, you go, oh we talk here all life and the boundaries of it, but here’s just this new thing which kind of questions the notion of eukaryotic life what, how extreme conditions can be tolerated by organ- organisms that we thought we had a handle on.

So yeah, kinda cool

[00:17:38] georgia: that’s cool.

[00:17:40] joe: I’ll put the links to that. The other one that’s related to the episode was Nvidia. So they make all of these chips, the, the GPUs that kind of power the data centers. They say its AI data center design would run hotter and it can use a lot less water. [00:18:00] And so they had, like, this blog post.

They talk about this new style of data center using their new chips, and they can cut water use to near zero. And so because they can run their data servers higher, as high as 113 degrees Fahrenheit or 45 degrees Celsius, that they can have their chips, and they can use, these liquid loops operating at these higher temperatures you can run then and have much more flexibility when it comes to ambient air and evaporation and things like that. So it was kind of, you know, blog posts. They really didn’t talk about how much it costs to build a center like this or, you know, anything else or comparisons or compare it to a, a air cooling less efficient kind of data center.

So really just a teaser, but it’s interesting that… I know David had brought up about trying to find new ways to be more efficient, so this might be the start of that. But we’ll see what happens with that. But just thought I’d throw [00:19:00] that out that Nvidia says they are

[00:19:02] Nick: and while we’re on NVIDIA I do have a gripe with them still for raising all of the GPU prices

[00:19:10] joe: yeah.

[00:19:12] Nick: I have a– I’m very upset by all this.

[00:19:15] joe: And I will say that Amazon had similarly touted higher heat tolerances as part of making its mostly air-cooled data centers more efficient. So, yeah, I don’t know. Maybe these companies are listening, trying to do something, or are they just being more efficient so they can pack more in and, meet demand?

Kinda we talked about that on the episode, that the more efficient, then the more use. So I had those two. I don’t know. We can put a pin in it till next science hole.

[00:19:47] georgia: Mm-hmm. Okay. All

[00:19:48] joe: All right. Well, that’s it. How

about- All right.

[00:19:52] Nick: What kind of what, what kind of media have you guys been consuming lately?

[00:19:55] georgia: Well we caught up in the, on the show Trying [00:20:00] Mm-hmm. Yeah we went through all five seasons.

[00:20:04] joe: seasons. So the new season, ’cause they were, they had the fifth season was being released, and then the finale. So we watched, like, the day before the finale, we finished, and then it was late enough in the evening that the finale had dropped, so we just went ahead and watched it.

So no, it was really good. Liked the show. Yeah, really a good story. I think, Georgia, you mentioned had that Gilmore Girls vibe

[00:20:30] georgia: Yeah, ’cause it had like com- it was funny, but realistic, in the sense like you really got to know the characters. Mm-hmm. And so it was a nice kind of escape-

Yeah

[00:20:42] joe: Yep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Check it out. Yeah. And

[00:20:46] Nick: Maybe I’ll have to check it out

[00:20:48] georgia: Yeah.

[00:20:48] joe: it kind of covers just family. The center’s around a couple who cannot have children, naturally, so they adopt and go through that process. And so, and then they have [00:21:00] their family and, family issues. Yep, yep.

[00:21:03] georgia: and such. So-

[00:21:05] joe: but yeah, and it’s

[00:21:06] georgia: And we started…

[00:21:07] joe: London? No.

[00:21:08] georgia: but yeah. Well, it’s in… It’s

British. British. I can’t remember the… Camden maybe?

[00:21:13] joe: That sounds right, maybe. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep There

[00:21:17] georgia: But,

and then we’ve watched the first episode of Dark Matter

[00:21:21] joe: Moon- Mm-hmm

[00:21:22] georgia: of the new season.

[00:21:24] Nick: Nice.

[00:21:25] georgia: Nice. And that was good. It was

[00:21:27] Nick: Worth it or no?

[00:21:27] joe: good. I

[00:21:28] georgia: thought it was really good. I have to be honest, by the end of the first season, I was like, “Oh my gosh, I think this is gonna go into, like, cheesy territory.” I don’t know. Did you watch the first season, Nick?

[00:21:44] Nick: No, I have not

[00:21:46] georgia: But I think they handled, they hand- like transitioned into the second season well. Mm-hmm. And I think it’s gonna be good, yeah.

[00:21:55] joe: they’re off book now, ’cause there was only one book, and the f- first season kind of [00:22:00] followed that book pretty closely. And now the second book, it’s kind of- Right … or the second

[00:22:05] georgia: And that Blake Crouch is very much involved Yeah

which I think is nice

[00:22:10] joe: and helped the continuity of the story and moving forward. Yep, so. But yeah, really good. Book-wise, I finished Bird by Bird by Anne Lamott. So once again, it’s a nonfiction, kind of writing motivation, kind of the spirit of creativity. So that was really good. So it was nice, little bit of run of these books about staying creative and inspired.

But , how about yourself? What are you up to?

[00:22:41] Nick: Oh I started the show Lanterns.

[00:22:44] joe: Mm-hmm. Yeah, Alex

had mentioned that.

[00:22:47] Nick: Yeah, it was pretty good. Three– Or I am all caught up actually on their episodes, ’cause what they have three episodes out as of recording, and yeah, I’ve been enjoying it.

[00:22:59] georgia: And [00:23:00] is that on

Dis- Disney or?

[00:23:02] joe: or…

Wait That

[00:23:03] Nick: is HBO Max

[00:23:05] georgia: Okay

[00:23:05] joe: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

[00:23:07] Nick: Yeah. And then what I just watched a comedy movie earlier tonight, and that was Vacation Friends.

It actually felt good to see like a good comedy again. It’s been a hot minute since where I was like, “Oh, I’m actually laughing at this.” But yeah

[00:23:26] georgia: And that’s a new film?

[00:23:27] Nick: But I knew it came out in 2021.

[00:23:31] georgia: Okay. Mm-hmm. Okay. So not new, but- No.

[00:23:34] Nick: No. But yeah, it was enjoyable.

And I just started playing the James Bond game the 007 First Light,

[00:23:46] joe: Mm-hmm.

[00:23:46] Nick: and that’s been, I like it. It’s been good so far.

[00:23:49] joe: Cool. Excellent.

[00:23:51] Nick: Yeah, and that’s about all I’ve got

right about now.

[00:23:54] joe: Yeah. Awesome. Awesome

[00:23:56] Nick: you, Georgia? Do you got anything else you guys… [00:24:00] ‘Cause I–

[00:24:01] joe: I think you finished a

[00:24:01] Nick: Georgia go or

[00:24:02] joe: Yeah, we were chaired ’cause we were watching the same show,

[00:24:05] Nick: Oh, okay.

That’s the only way… Who didn’t finish

theirs?

[00:24:08] joe: No, I think we’re all… We kinda tag-teamed it. But Georgia, did you finish a book, didn’t you?

[00:24:14] georgia: yep. No, I think we’re all … We kinda tag-teamed it. But Georgia, did you finish a book then? Yeah. I finished Intrigue

[00:24:16] joe: Mm-hmm. I’m

[00:24:17] georgia: I’m not looking at her name, Silvia Moreno-Garcia, I wanna say, if I’m pronouncing that right.

[00:24:25] joe: looking at it right. Wrote Mexican Gothic-

[00:24:26] georgia: Yes, she wrote the Mexican Gothic. This is not horror related or Gothic related.

It’s more of a noir set in the ’40s in Mexico. So it was good, and I finished that, and now I’m reading The Girls We Send Away- Hm … I think is the title, also by Megan Church, who wrote The Mad Wife

[00:24:53] joe: Oh, very cool. Yep. Mm-hmm

[00:24:55] Nick: Nice Huh?

[00:24:57] joe: Awesome

[00:24:58] Nick: All right.

[00:25:00] Well

[00:25:00] joe: That sounds like a wrapper. So you got me, Joe.

[00:25:07] Nick: Yeah, got

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