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EP 40: Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards): Stretching
What would it actually take for a human body to stretch like Mr. Fantastic? Maria Dowell, MD joins us to explore the fascinating, terrifying, and biologically implausible science of stretching.
Transcript:
joe: [00:00:00] Hey, welcome back to the Rabbit Hole of Research down here in the basement studio hanging out. We’re bringing you the last of the Fantastic four Super series. This is, we’ll be covering all things stretchy,
nick: very stretchy
joe: Mr.
Fantastic. Himself. Himself. We are almost crewed up. You have me, Joe.
nick: You got Nick.
joe: got
nick: We’ve got Nick.
We got the foot of Georgia here.
joe: We’ve got,
I don’t know what that means, but
nick: she stretched away.
joe: she stretched away. I get it. Oh, I get it.
maria: and she left her foot.
nick: Yeah. She just, wanted to act like she was Still here.
joe: And we have our special guest.
nick: Wait. Hello there.
maria: Hello.
Hi, I’m Maria Dowell. I’m a pulmonologist at Northwestern and Laurie Children’s.
joe: Awesome. There we go. So people have been asking for someone to keep us sharp and on point with anatomy, and here we are. We deliver [00:01:00] on Reed Richard. Mr. Fantastic.
Just a little background if you’ve been following the series or if you’re new, the Fantastic four are fictional superhero team created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
First appearing in Fantastic Four, number one in 1961 from Marvel Comics. They were considered Marvel’s first superhero team of the modern era and help establish the more human, flawed and family driven style that defined Marvel storytelling. And a little more at sci-fi as we learned from some of our guests.
As I said, this is the fourth in the series, so episode 37 we had Nick Linsky. Talking about Sue Storm and invisibility, episode 38. We had Jonathan Mayberry talking about Ben Grime, the thing and strong skin. Episode 39. We had Dr. David Pincus, Johnny Storm, human Torch, spontaneous Combustion, and now we’ll be talking about Mr.
Fantastic Reed. Richard himself, [00:02:00]
the man of The fan, the group leader. He’s a scientific genius who can stretch his body into incredible shapes and lengths. He’s also a reckless scientist. He took his team and flew them into the cosmic
nick: I think reckless is a little bit of a
maria: experimental,
nick: them
maria: adventurous.
joe: But okay, we’ll touch this again ’cause I’m always a little like consent there because he just said, get in the ship, we’re gonna go check out some cosmic rays. And I don’t think he explained what could happen, but we usually open with a
definition, a little grounding open. And so I’ll do that, and then we get into it.
I do have a list, but this one here. So what does it mean to stretch in science? Stretching is a form of mechanical deformation. When a material is pulled beyond its original length, storing or dissipating energy in the process, and biology, stretching is dy. Stretching is the dynamic response of living tissues like muscle skin and connective fibers to tension [00:03:00] driven by proteins like elastin and collagen that determine whether a body snaps back or gives way.
But stretching is more than physical. It’s metaphorical and fiction. Stretchable characters like Mr. Fantastic Elastic girl, plastic man turn flexibility into superpower, embodying, adaptability, resilience, and transformation. They just don’t change shape. They change meaning. And today on this episode, we’re going to try and understand the biology and the science behind one of comic’s.
Most hand W Powers.
nick: hand wa
maria: I know.
nick: Whoa.
joe: Whoa. One of the most hand wa on powers.
nick: I don’t You say that every
joe: episode? No, I And this one,
every
nick: every
episode you’re like,
this
has an unreasonable
level of
handwaving.
joe: This one is up there.
nick: I don’t know about that, Joe.
maria: Human torch is not hand wm.
joe: Oh, I didn’t say it wasn’t that I,
maria: Oh, I, see.
Okay. I’m saying this is probably even, this might be more than the human torch
Okay. It’s on the spectrum.
joe: on the spectrum. It’s on the spectrum, yeah. And we actually I thought about it and I didn’t think about [00:04:00] the list, but I think we went in order of probably hand wa
real, realization, the hand waving on from percentage wise, I think invisibility, we probably can make someone invisible, mechanically or whatever.
There’s a path and we do that with materials. Strong skin. I think we talked about a few things. the human torch, was just a episode
nick: We were able to prove that to be able,
joe: we did, we got to some workable
nick: I think we’re gonna come to the same
joe: I don’t know.
nick: dunno. And
joe: We’ll
nick: gonna be like, wow, this is the most
probable
one out of all of ’em.
joe: I just think from a biological standpoint the reason is that with the human torch, what we did there was limit it to just the outer surface of a skin and separate that from internal organs.
So we didn’t have to figure out all the biology of making him completely heat resistant, just so that was nice. Here in this case, the same thing with the thing. He’s really just got the rocky exterior. So once again, that’s an external, there’s challenges, but [00:05:00] you go, okay, that’s external. But this one here, I think you have not only skin changing, you have internal organ structure.
Muscle bone. We have a lot of rigid structures. And Maria, here it’s just a lot of systems to
overcome.
E especially as fantastical as he appears in the comics where he’s not stretching just a few feet. He’s stretching, tens of
maria: He’s stretching.
He’s
splaying
out. he’s doing all sorts of
motions.
I was, thinking
about this and I
stretched,
my mind to
to
say,
When they
got raid,
whatever we’re calling that. I was thinking of the stretching as
The opposite
of
the strong skin. Right. Like whatever
happened To
the
collagen
and elastin and things that make up,
That or allow us to be stretchy or make up that structure.
It changed the
dynamic. Right.
And then I thought wait, his bone stretch,
his
organ stretch. All those things you said is cartilage stretches.
So
[00:06:00] what’s the common theme? One of the common things is collagen, right? We know That, and so maybe something cool
And mutated
happened to his collagen
in the opposite
direction.
Of the thick.
tough, thick
skin. right? So that’s one thing. But then I thought, how does he control it, it’s a balance. And You have collagen, you have elastin. and So thick skin guy has,
More collagen, less elastin and
maybe
Mr. Fantastic has
more elastin,
and less collagen or something.
I don’t know. What was The weird
mutation that happened,
joe: or mutations. Because you, I think you hit on a point and for all of, I think a lot of superheroes, they’re neurological control. You would have to almost reorganize to have that ability to at demand, stretch out and then recall and then have.
The nerve
maria: and why doesn’t it hurt? Because you guys, brought that up
with
why doesn’t it hurt?
When you know,
you’re,
your, you’re bumping against the tough skin,
thing Or your [00:07:00] back. Right.
joe: the human fla, we talked about the human tor with Johnny and
The pain receptors and things like that, like what happened there.
nick: Your body mutated to Be against that. Like, all right, We’re cool with this pain. like This, our nerve endings have changed.
joe: Yeah, yeah, I mean it’s but structures like bone are anti flex. Their design is
not
to be flexible. Is that, because of their content,
maria: right?
Again, it’s a balance,
right? They’re designed to be, to maintain structure,
But They do have some flexibility,
joe: but how much is flexibility? What’s our movement like? I’ve seen bones.
maria: Mine is not much
but Mr. Fantastic. It’s a lot.
joe: A lot. Yeah. But then would you be able to stand and walk if you had like rubbery bones, because then what, so I guess rubber, let’s say that you stretch, that means that you have an addition of some sort of mass, right? Because now you’re elongating and so you’re thin. You can do it two ways. One, you can get thinner and redistribute [00:08:00] cellular material or you add quickly and I guess so if he’s stretching is the bone.
Stretching with
it. Like it’s this, it’s a growth kind of thing.
maria: So you’re asking is he maintaining? mass?
joe: He
maintains strength, so you have to maintain ma mass. We have to, I think, assume that because he is still physically strong because if you stretch your arm out, it, you would lose, ’cause of the way the muscles overlap
and Yeah.
maria: If you stretch ’em too far. they can’t
contract properly. But he’s not normal.
joe: Yeah. But
maria: He’s got super normal.
joe: We gotta explain it how’s, what’s super normal. That’s hand w
maria: That’s hand
waving. Wow.
nick: I feel like,
she’s bringing good points here. And you’re trying to
maria: neuron stretch. If his neuron stretches then his
skeletal muscle can
joe: you could have, so or so.
nick: I feel like it would be weird if just skin stretched like,
maria: oh no, it’s everything. Yeah, it’s
joe: gotta be everything.
nick: You,
can’t just have. Loose skin fingers flapping [00:09:00] around
joe: Or maybe the timing, in the comics and animated and even the movies. It’s a very rapid response.
Maybe after he stretches out, it takes, he is gotta wheel it in to reform,
maria: but he’s in control he
can not, be stretchy and
look. perfectly fine And then he can flip a
switch. Do you think
that has anything to do with his level of intelligence? ’cause he’s super
smart.
joe: maybe you’re saying maybe you already had
nick: I feel like most superheroes do have a certain level of intelligence, to Control their powers Because so much of it. is, Johnny, with his being able to turn his flame
on mis invisible with her invisibility in force fields, it’s all very brain power based.
maria: And there’s precedent for that. Right.
The mind,
gut
access.
the,
nick: Oh, I feel like there are things now that some
people can do, but other people can’t because it’s just, all right, I’m able to control this part of my body. I’ve seen people be able to move their ears. That’s weird. But
joe: yeah,
maria: And There’s some people with really stretchy
skin.
For genetic conditions,
nick: Wait, you can move your ears. [00:10:00] What?
joe: I can, yeah. But we need video for
that.
maria: See it with headphones.
so just, I guess I was starting with the most rigid biological structure in humans, which we’re assuming Mr. Fantastic is a human and he has this and so one, he could, they got into, we, we touched on this before, genotype and phenotype, that he already had some genotype that predisposed him to, have, take advantage of the mutagen when it hit.
joe: And now he’s expressing that. Okay. But I think we gotta go one step further. You have. He can flatten out. So you do have a number of bones in your chest. Is that
maria: Oh yes. They’re called ribs.
They’re called ribs.
joe: Just
nick: is that what
maria: they’re,
called?
joe: I’m just
nick: like to eat those at barbecue
joe: been a while since I’ve taken anatomy, but yes.
And so they have to go somewhere. So now you’re,
they,
to flatten out. And then it, oh, go
maria: You’re
assuming that
they remain
ribs. There’s [00:11:00] collagen
in those structures too. so maybe if he can flip a
switch and be all stretchy in the skin, he can do it with his other organs.
And they can get more fluid.
joe: So fluid is good. ’cause I had an idea. What if he. What if its internal structures, juices up and it, you almost then become a fluid. And you could actually, there’s organisms like octopuses, things like that, that do have stretch. They can stretch their limbs and change shape and form and really elastic, but they’re usually hydrostatic.
And so could his bone structures and things be more hydrostatic and fill almost like a tube and then that would fill out
and the juice of his organs would then become would powered in his
maria: No. I think. you’re onto something. elephant trunks tongues.
Things like that. They don’t have bones in them. And they can do things and they can Change shape. So
joe: Camil chameleon tongues. They can also, they have, they can stretch out and curl and do all sorts of weird things, but and I will say curling,
if
you can roll your tongue.[00:12:00]
if
you can roll your tongue, that’s genetic.
maria: He’s right. He’s right. you, can’t, can he? Oh,
He can’t. He really Looks funny.
Yeah. Ooh,
joe: I can’t do that. What the,
maria: Yours is fluted,
Like aa.
joe: don’t know what’s
nick: Oh man
If only we had videos.
joe: Here it is.
maria: I don’t
joe: But yeah, no,
nick: hummingbirds tongues, don’t they roll up into their heads too?
No.
joe: know.
maria: Oh, they are, they,
do have,
to come out the, no, that’s probus,
joe: Yeah.
I don’t know what that is.
maria: Pocus Probus.
nick: Oh, I don’t know what that word
maria: that word is. like it comes out really long So it can go down. and, get the pollen and then it retracts up.
So maybe you’re Right? It does roll up.
nick: yeah.
I thought
joe: And I was gonna say that there are, with the, with kind of the thinking about the neurological axons and things like that, you could have a situation where you coil up, right?
So you have some length. And our, like our intestines. Our your intestines, average [00:13:00] adult’s about six feet long or so. Stretched out a little
maria: I think it’s longer than
that. Longer than that,
yeah,
much longer.
Like Probably in the
twenties.
joe: Oh, okay. So there you go.
20
feet, but it’s all coiled up inside of you. So
maria: I’m making it up,
I know
it’s longer than six.
nick: Yeah.
joe: We’ll put that in the show notes.
nick: All
I know is
joe: we got you here, Maria, to keep us
maria: Dang, this
is like a,
nick: feel like Maria’s closer than you are right now,
Joe. six feet.
right. I know. That’s
joe: That’s that’s, after you have a procedure,
nick: know anything.
joe: six feet left. Maybe that’s just a small, large intestine,
maria: that’s very
long.
nick: but yeah that’s
joe: I was gonna say that co that’s a nature. Does
maria: oh my God. 30 feet, nine meters The average.
joe: Wow.
There you go. People,
that’s a lot
nick: no, six foot,
lot of
joe: of intestine, but it’s
maria: probably more like twenties.
But
anyway, It’s
joe: coiled up
in there.
maria: yeah.
joe: a feature of nature, that it’s coiled. And actually, if you go to the ultra structure of the intestine, the villa, you have their coiled, and then you have the micro villa, which they’re on the [00:14:00] surface.
They actually are have this kind of , not coiled, but it’s it’s more folded structure. And so if you fold up something, you can pack it in, so a tighter space. So you could have this situation where so many structures are folded up, and then as you stretch
maria: yeah,
you
might have 25 to 30
feet,
Of a tube. But you’ve got a ton of surface
area inside, So agreed.
So you could, Lungs are similar. Yeah.
joe: Yeah, the lung’s, right? So they can flatten out. So he, you might have to juice up all the organs, maybe as a, maybe it’s not completely flat. There’s some lumpiness to it. And so maybe some things are being juiced and then
the
gi to generate the
fluid,
nick: really hate the way you’re saying
this,
joe: we have to.
But I think either way, I think at, if we had Mr. Fantastic here and we did some cell biology on him, I think he would have to have rapid cellular regeneration and growth. I think no matter how you slice it, how you stretch it that he would have to, [00:15:00] I think he would have to make new cellular material one way or the other.
Either stretching out or retracting back and probably both. Because the stretching out.
maria: So
elasticity,
and maybe some
plasticity,
nick: so
as he gets older, would his stretching ability
weaken
Or would it not retract as
maria: much
I say it would
get stiffer.
nick: I was just
thinking like an old rubber band.
That gonna right. That’s right. Yep.
joe: I thought it was interesting too. I was thinking about it and remembered
in the Incredibles, Alaska girl.
maria: She’s awesome. Yeah.
joe: But there was, when she was talking to oh, the woman that was making the super Edna,
maria: Mos talk to
joe: Edna Moons, and they were going over to suits, and Edna goes, it will stretch as far as you without injuring yourself. So that means that for elastic girl, there was some limit or perceive limit that you would stretch, and then you would actually cause physical harm, either get stuck there or not.
nick: No I took it as. If the suit didn’t [00:16:00] move with her, that would be the thing that hurt her.
joe: She said as
is, as far as
you, you would without injuring yourself.
So that’s more
nick: isn’t
joe: sounds more like it will stretch
maria: as far as there’s a limit you
joe: before until you hurt yourself. I, and it presumes that there’s a limit.
You, why say that, just say the suit was stretched as far as you can,
but it said as far as you can without injury. There was a, there was actually a qualifier there of injury,
maria: total
tangent.
But All the garments,
worn by the fantastic war, Why don’t they burn up or overstretch or are they
also imbued with The same
qualities.
nick: What It was
joe: Unstable,
yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Reed. Reed made up all of the
maria: Okay.
joe: outfits
maria: never change. Okay. never change your clothes.
nick: They
maria: assume they meant to,
nick: Adjust
to their abilities
joe: Yep. And even if they swapped, there was a,
what’s
that? A comic or the animated series where they switched power Johnny and
Sue
Switch Powers, but their suits still
nick: all of them. did. Mr.
joe: because they touched That’s right, yeah. Yeah. It was like by tut, right? Yeah.
Yeah.
nick: [00:17:00] Mr. Fantastics and in the comics Reed Richards can stretch up to 1,500 feet.
Just
so you know that’s his limit.
joe: That’s a pretty,
That
maria: was me being
speechless. Oh, wow.
I didn’t know that
joe: I looked at, I found it had about a hundred to 150% stretch limit before, before you tear. So that’s it. That, and that’s not a thousand, you said whatever, a thousand feet,
nick: feet.
joe: That’s not 1,500 feet. And,
is a,
so that means you would have to create new cellular material to keep stretching. That, that would mean that you would have to have some very fast growth of cellular material and then break down of the material.
maria: Wow.
That’s,
yeah.
Also,
nick: he can actually move his body parts
and
create the exact same part within himself.
maria: Wait,
what? example, please? Yes.
nick: I was reading comic recently with my daughter for a nighttime story where Reed goes [00:18:00] ahead and. They Reed and sue find a decayed body inside of a Doom bot, and he proceeds to put his eyeballs in his fingers
and
have it go throughout the body to examine it without
disrupting
the whole
body
itself.
It was absolutely
joe: So we can,
maria: is he a giant organism of
pluripotent cells,
and
he can just like, wow,
joe: just one big stem cell
maria: is one
joe: that’s going one, so yeah, that would fit that.
nick: Here you go.
maria: And there your regenerative aspect.
Ew.
Yeah.
joe: So that means Yeah, he could actually. Juice up his insides, take advantage of the kind of the hydrostatic skeleton.
nick: Also his making
maria: multiple, Appendages. and.
joe: And he maintains strength in all those appendages. Yeah. And
maria: So he’s a shapeshifter,
nick: Yeah.
But he
does wear himself [00:19:00] out while doing that,
joe: Yeah. So you
nick: I can send these to Joe And hopefully we don’t get them taken down.
joe: we’ll put ’em, in the show
maria: notes. Okay.
joe: Yeah, no, he would, you’re right, he is almost like a shapeshifter where he can manipulate,
nick: which Miss Marvel was able to do that as well.
Where
When she first got her power, she ended up changing into Carol Danvers.
And she
thought she was Carol Danvers then for a bit.
joe: But She Can mystique stretch if she. Or no,
nick: miss
that’s her powers
joe: will. Sorry, I meant would rogue stretch. So when she absorbs powers, so would she absorb Mr. Fantastics power?
nick: I’d
assume so. She
takes over anyone’s
Like No matter what it is, her abil, Her power is to take other people’s powers.
joe: a little
nick: And depending how much of her power, Their powers that she gets. It can either drain
them,
joe: Completely kill
nick: Yep.
joe: And then she, and she permanently gets their
nick: depending
on how long [00:20:00] she Holds on. Yes.
maria: I was thinking of the
stress and the strain for
Mr. Fantastic.
What
would
he do in a vacuum? What were, what if he were in space?
joe: Oh yeah. would he
maria: would he just Yeah.
Be a puff up?
blobby, protosome thing? or,
what would
joe: I,
presume he can control it. So you can you become more rigid?
maria: But he use gravity though.
joe: So you think it’s gravity based, especially if it’s
maria: some,
there
has to be some force,
right?
In in order to deform something.
That’s the Strain part.
force is do in space? It just loops, Right.
I’ve never heard water.
say, so maybe you’re
right, That sounded a little goldfish like that. does
joe: not have surface tension in water and space? Is that where you have it and I’m not,
maria: I don’t know.
my mind thinks it breaks down to
the smallest little thing.
that would,
joe: Yeah. People
they,
shoot water at each other and drink
nick: Yeah. They have water. gun fights up there. Like
joe: And the water actually at this, it does. Blob up and itself, it has its own surface tension, it still has its integrity, but it’s not fluid as we [00:21:00] think about it on earth.
That’s interesting. I don’t know I to look ’cause you can soak it up a sponge. Yeah,
maria: do that in
joe: I think it has its properties there, but a vacuum. I’m trying to think what happens to marshmallows. If you put it into a expand, they expand like in one of those flavor saver, vacuums, you suck all the air out, they get puffed up.
nick: yeah, they
joe: I would think that would happen to him. He would just puff up.
nick: So
he would just end up filling the space that’s in there.
joe: I, it, I presume if he can control how big it’s right, he can control. But if he can control his cellular growth and expansion, then he actually won’t experience anything necessarily be like a normal human.
You would just control that.
nick: What do the human do when there’s no. When they’re in a vacuum.
joe: Yeah. I think he, but I think he, I’m saying I think he can maintain a shape,
nick: but you’re losing consciousness too then. If you put Reed Richards in a vacuumed sealed room, I.
suck out all the air.
He’s not gonna be conscious enough to keep himself together.
maria: [00:22:00] But he might be because
he has the ultra structure to combat whatever is expanding him.
That’s why I think he can Use gravity to help
deform himself. That’s the stress on his system, and the strain is all the little movements that, that stress creates.
So that’s the deformation.
So
if he doesn’t have that,
then
he fights the opposite direction to keep himself together. I think he’d be fine.
joe: Yeah. I think you’re right. He would run outta oxygen and if he needs oxygen to live, and yes, he would. But he could be, I don’t know. Could he self.
Oxygenate through cellular breakdown at some level. I don’t know what his respiratory would be like. Is he using his lungs the same way as normal? Because if he’s flattening himself out and he is doing stretching and he is doing activities, then how is he actually inflating his lungs to push oxygenated blood through his system?
So I It’s almost a whole lot of
maria: Yeah. he, He’s maybe he’s turning his skin into, a respiratory system or something.
I don’t
nick: Being able to move [00:23:00] his organs and stuff around. He Could theoretically pump the oxygen that way? No.
joe: or if he, you, I don’t know until you’ve, gimme a better terminology.
When he juices his insides, then he would become more, you would have you would have dissolved oxygen in that fluid that can then be used and distributed in a very different way than a typical
maria: listen system, if Somebody can deform
themselves
that degree, they
could probably change
their hemoglobin to hang on
to whatever,
oxygen and use it over and over again.
Yeah.
I dunno.
I
nick: I feel like this whole series, you’ve
said
maria: the worst word every episode.
Wait, it was juicing
this time. Juicing your Organs. Juice
joe: up. His organs.
It’s
all squishy. Someone poke, Reed,
nick: so
for
his skin then we’re back going.
on the skin episode.
That’s
joe: right.
nick: But
how, like I wonder [00:24:00] if he does get cut, does it cut him or is he, just,
joe: See,
I think if he has increased
cellular regeneration,
I think he’s almost like a Wolverine or
nick: that’s what I was, thinking, like how
joe: That he would actually be able to heal cuts. And that’s a comic thing. I don’t, I’m trying to think if I’ve seen him injured like that.
nick: I don’t think I’ve
really
seen him,
someone
else
actually
do something
to
him other than what he does to himself.
And that’s where it’s huh.
joe: And it’s good in a comic that he runs out of energy because if you are doing this increased cellular regeneration and manipulation of your physical, both your external structures, but also your internal, that you would have this.
Yeah.
He could just
nick: I feel like he definitely does run out of his own
joe: He could be an octopus in the shape of a human,
maria: but I don’t think you can injure him. I
do think he can run out
of oxygen. and thus energy.
He’s a little beat after.
he reforms his shape.
nick: I feel like [00:25:00] that’s one of the main ways that he gets injured. And then if someone’s attacking his mind,
that’s
another way to
get to
joe: And that fits to what Maria was saying, that about the physical, mental control of the systems. And so if you are being mentally challenged and then also have to do physical challenges I think if he was playing chess and trying to, stretch out, would he be limited? Would he be
maria: able could we beat
him at chess Is what you’re saying? Beat
him at chess
We can beat him chess.
nick: no, ’cause
he
joe: outta reach,
right?
nick: do
his
lab stuff. I don’t know what you guys call that stuff, But he’s stretching himself out into multiple
joe: Yeah. But if you’re grabbing a pipette or something like that, you’re not doing a lot of
nick: a what
joe: it’s
nick: a pipe,
Are you
smoking a pipe. at The lab,
joe: called a pipette.
nick: What year are we
joe: pipette?
nick: Joe, I can
really picture you just with a
maria: but he can get snacks.
while he is in the
lab without moving.
joe: So we had we had some [00:26:00] fans stop by and that was one of the things they said they wanted stretching ability to reach the snacks. And so that’s it. But I think you would expend more energy getting the snack than you would actually could take in by the snack.
nick: Why, how many Big Macs are you gonna say, Joe?
joe: Yeah, I Big Macs. So I, once again, if he’s regenerating cells at that level. Then that puts him at the Wolverine Deadpool calorie load.
maria: That’s high metabolism. High
metabolism.
joe: We’re talking maybe baseline 10, 20,000 calories, just resting state. I think if he’s doing this other stuff where he is juicing inside and reforming, you may be in hundreds of thousands of calories.
nick: honestly,
he can take that all down With one bite.
joe: one bite. Was he, is he eating a whale? What are we talking about there?
nick: Open his mouth
and then shove everything in.
He doesn’t really need to sit [00:27:00] there and
joe: I guess you’re right. How’s he, what’s his in like stomach what’s his
maria: maybe he does take Something. in and then
he changes
all of his organs into a
big stomach, into big intestines There go. Extract
it on. And then
put your organs,
back. That’s,
I think he can, I
think he can
manipulate.
everything.
joe: Gotta get Jeff Goble, man.
nick: Oh yeah.
joe: Jurassic Park when he goes, that’s one big pile of
nick: what did he say? I’m
joe: That’s one big pile of poop.
I
think he used a different word there, but
maria: dinosaur.
joe: So maybe that’s so he can, but still that’s a lot of calories. That’s not so that means, as we talk about with other superheroes, does he have some metabolism change or more efficient? That’s been re pointed out. If he can do all this, then why can’t he change? Is his proteins that do work also difference and use and store energy.
Does he, is he using some sort of variable biological high energy [00:28:00] storage? Vehicle
maria: I like it. I think it’s a great theory.
joe: Yeah, that’s it. A lot of handwaving in there.
maria: Handwaving
nick: nailed to
joe: lot of handwaving.
But on the stretching thing and elastins great and that’s what humans have. But I was gonna say, the other thing I had found was Resilin
It’s a
nick: those of us who don’t know,
joe: Yeah. It’s a structural protein that’s found in certain insects. It was discovered in 1960 in Locust, and it functions as like a rubber biological rubber band. It can stretch recoil, it can store mechanical energy with minimal energy loss. And it’s found in areas such as wing hinges, jumping legs for frogs fleas, locusts or feeding or vibration systems like Circadas and things like that.
So it’s a very flexible elastic, protein, more elastic it can stretch up to 300% without damage. And and then there’s synthetic forms [00:29:00] that are engineered and they can stretch a little bit more about 300, 350, 300, 400, 400%. And so you could have used this modified structural protein.
maria: Mm-hmm.
joe: So when a cosmic ray hit
maria: mm-hmm.
joe: he had some sort of, I don’t know, I actually, I didn’t look up what the
maria: Elastin goes to lin
joe: Yeah exactly. Yeah. Yep. Or Reed was monkeying around with CRISPR and head, and I given everyone a little bit of a, he was trying to create superheroes in the lab and. The cosmic ray was the activating function.
I, I just think, I think Reed was up to something funny and I think Doom called him out a couple times about that and said, Hey, that, he experimented on you guys to the rest of the team. Because I think that’s what I think there was, I think he intentionally did
it.
maria: Brilliant.
but disingenuous.
joe: Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. That’s
maria: Experimenting on your
friends
Watch out
joe: using CRISPR in there. Hey, take a look at this
maria: [00:30:00] yeah, let’s see
what happens.
nick: you did that to me last
maria: let’s see what happens.
nick: What are you trying to say?
joe: you get a suit and a meal. But yeah, that, that was one that I found where you could actually start to go in and you could get something that’s a little more stretchy. And if you can combine it with some of these other things we talked about. With that,
would
that get you there to, yeah.
Closer to maybe stretching a little bit. I don’t know, about a thousand feet.
I just think 10, 10 feet
even. That’s a lot.
nick: I do feel like he was stretched further than that in a
comic before where, I want to say it was a
issue
of Spider-Man that was like a alternate universe where something was happening to earth and Peter snapped and stretched out Mr.
Fantastic. To keep everything together.
joe: Yeah.
nick: And that was a
weird Issue. It was dark. And
joe: now did he come back together or did he No. Stay, no.
nick: Reed was pretty much in [00:31:00] a agonizing state.
joe: So he, there was a,
maria: but he didn’t do it
he was stretched.
So back to the mind, body, part. yeah.
Ah,
nick: Where he was keeping
stuff together and it was just like. He
was not,
joe: doesn’t matter if you knock him out, if you,
maria: if
You could injure him, But if he is yeah. If He’s conscious
and
Reshaping himself,
whatever, what are
we calling it Deforming himself. I don’t know himself. Stretching, himself. There we go. Stretching himself.
joe: He Stretching We’re not using that,
maria: to
stretching himself, then he’s in control. But if you take that control
away. we could inre him. We could hurt
him.
joe: That’s it.
maria: are
we working for Dr.
nick: Doom
today?
Like
joe: got it. We can get him.
nick: I do feel like him and Doom are a very good, villain, hero matchup, because
they both do have their darker side as well as a good side.
’cause
what Mr. Fantastic ends up becoming the maker
who
is a [00:32:00] alternate version of him that is absolutely off the walls bonkers where. He wants to control absolutely everything. And Doom is a person that is trying to keep his
country
in order and wants to better them, So it’s like they
have
the good and bad
in them,
and it’s always so cool to see when, yes, they still fight.
But
what I wanna say Doom is the Godfather to Reed and Sue’s children.
joe: Yeah. Yeah.
nick: And
in
what one of the last issues we read, Reed ended up doing a thing where he took out a whole block
of
New York to take out some alien invasion, and he sent it a future
year
in the future.
Doom, got found out, freaked out, tried to fix it, and as soon as that year was up, doom [00:33:00] couldn’t do anything.
And
Reed ended up sending him a picture saying, Hey, I know you tried, but what I did worked and here’s a picture. knowing, letting you know that they’re all good. It’s like
they
still, they’re frenemies.
Yeah. that’s, I think That’s what I’m trying to go at. Yeah.
joe: And it reminded me of something with talking about that and the interdimensional mass storage, and we had this with Cyclops and his eye powers. Now he’s pulling from another dimension to use the optic blast that he has. So he is opening a portal through his eyes.
But we had this, I’m trying to think who else. We’ve talked about this where. This mass conversion. So the one way is that he’s has some rapid cellular, gener generation and then retracted. But what if the mass comes from another dimension? And that would tether into kind of Reed’s overall story of his [00:34:00] intelligence, science, stretching, and then this dimensionality that he has
maria: A human portal,
joe: A human portal, right? So he actually is, instead of channeling energy through his eyes, he actually is channeling through himself. And then you could get to a thousand feet.
maria: Okay.
nick: Where
is he pulling it
from?
joe: from? That’s
maria: it’s still him.
nick: no matter what part of it? You
go to,
maria: His brilliance. there
joe: could be many hims though, right across the
maria: There are Many,
hims, right?
joe: And so he’s just pulling from and himself.
So
maybe in, in some other dimension, he becomes very tiny and shriveled. And while he is stretching out or from multiples, he’s just pulling a little bit of material from many reeds.
nick: Are you high right now?
joe: No,
nick: That
one came outta left
field for me. I was
like,
joe: know.
maria: I like,
it
joe: I know, but
maria: because it’s so weird.
joe: a lot. [00:35:00] It gets you we gotta, we’re trying to make the jump from 10, 20 feet to a thousand. And so I’m just throwing something out there. Then
nick: take that,
take
the stretching ability to, any other stretcher, miss Marvel, Elastic girl,
plastic
Are they all doing that?
joe: So I, like I said, I think Elastic Girl has some limit and that was revealed. We don’t know what the limit is, but even in the show, she only stretched so far, she didn’t stretch a thousand feet. Okay. Maybe she has rapid regeneration. Maybe it’s a genetic, she was born that way.
maria: But
she always
has an appendage or she
always has a body,
appearance, right? Yeah, that’s right. She does. Indeed
but Reed
doesn’t, oh, So I think if you
joe: No. I’m gonna stop. She turned into a parachute and a boat.
maria: She did, but she still had,
A head,
joe: had a head. But I think Reed also has a head, usually his head doesn’t flatten or
maria: because it’s all coming from there,
joe: I’m just saying He also doesn’t but Right. Go ahead.
maria: Yeah, but he can’t maintain mass then, when [00:36:00] I’m thinking about that A thousand feet. I’m sorry. he’s gonna have to, do some regeneration because if
you,
took his mass and you
stretched it. out,
joe: that’s right. Strength and
maria: tiny little thread trying to beat up on you.
we go.
joe: He gets there.
Tink. But if you’re pulling mass Other dimensions and building up as you go, then you can maintain. And then when you get there, you have a powerful punch. ’cause now you’ve been
maria: and when you’re going back to
yourself, you just shove it back down the hole
nick: attacking anyone at that length.
joe: He’s grabbing things. He’s don’t, why stretch a thousand feet if you’re just for a
heck of it?
You’re
maria: just
joe: look what I can do kids. And
nick: I would,
joe: think he’s, I
maria: and then a Breeze comes.
and blows his
like, he’s
joe: grabbing something. Even if something, you could, it could be something that’s trivial as grabbing a knife off the ground at a thousand feet stretch.
You don’t have enough
nick: you grabbing a knife from a thousand feet away?
joe: He’s gotta get, he’s not close
maria: to stab somebody. Of course.
Secretly,
nick: Oh man. I left something at home.
Hold on.
Where What are you doing? I’m grabbing something, don’t worry. [00:37:00]
joe: But if he had, if he was pulling mass and keeping his strength, and then, ’cause when you stretch out, also we’re just talking about stretching in a vacuum.
It was like a physics test. There’s no friction, but
maria: I know
joe: i’s equating,
maria: worth thinking about
joe: if your arm is stretching out and then your gravity’s pulling on it, right? So now as you’re getting thin, not only will it get thin, but now it’s just slump. It’s gonna have a big,
it’s gonna sag in the middle like a, like a weighted clothes line.
And so you’re gonna have a big saggy thing and at the end, your hand’s gonna be out there and super skinny and thin. No, I, yeah.
It’s gonna
be weird. Yeah. Yeah. A thousand feets. That’s a
maria: lot.
That’s a,
joe: I think inter dimensionality, now I’m gonna go with it.
maria: A thousand feet. That’s like
football
field, right?
joe: A thousand feet. A
maria: That’s a hundred?
yards.
Yards. Oh, that’s 300 feet. Sorry. That’s three, three and a Three. plus, sorry.
We’re
nick: How big is a football field.
maria: I know that’s A hundred yards. but I,
Yeah.
Okay.
[00:38:00] That’s,
a
joe: And there’s three feet in the
yard.
maria: I
like the,
portal part.
I think that’s pretty good. That would explain a lot, right? ’cause he can pull on the energy and the Oxygen from whatever. He doesn’t have to maintain. Lung volumes
or,
Or blood volume or, yeah, he just yanks it.
joe: you put ’em in that vacuum. He is just
maria: pulling from
joe: some other dimensional Reed that’s now suffocating for no reason. I can’t breathe. What’s wrong with me?
maria: He would not have to eat a whole pasture of cattle to,
joe: that
is true too.
maria: to maintain
his energy level.
joe: It’s but you would need to eat though, because to maybe opening his portals, that takes some energy. So he would need, he, you might not even have to sustain it during the stretching.
nick: I feel like you just put this weight anymore into hand.
Avium.
joe: It was already
maria: I think if you’re a portal, it just is.
mean, if we’re gonna, we’re, and we’re gonna have to embrace the hand WM here. I’m trying to actually, the portal might work like, ’cause Cyclops does it, I’m not saying that’s not hand wave him also, but
do the cosmic rays make him smarter?
nick: I
[00:39:00] don’t think
joe: I think he was already like genius level,
maria: right?
nick: I think he was
joe: yeah.
nick: Top universe.
joe: That was his thing.
maria: So it Didn’t
hit him in the head.
It hit him everywhere else.
nick: I don’t think.
it affected
joe: Maybe. What was his personality like before? It felt like he was the same, but we started close to him wanting to take his friends up to the cosmic race, his wife, his brother-in-law, and his best buddy to get bombarded by Cosmic Ray to see what would happen to him.
And then they crashed, landed back on earth I believe, and then they woke up with powers.
maria: Boy, And how did they ever
trust him again? That so
rude.
nick: I don’t know about you, but I’m looking for power’s.
joe: Yeah, you
maria: Okay. But
it’s
joe: there’s a an advertisement
going
to explore cosmic ray. Are you in next one? Yes. I
maria: it’s a wild card, what you’re gonna get. You could turn into a giant nose,
you know,
nick: I am
maria: just
one
joe: cancerous tumor or you’ll get superpowers.
maria: [00:40:00] flip a coin. It’s a
gamble
I’m
willing
nick: to take.
Either It’s gonna be something, wild And
joe: That gets into that and there’s a lot of non-consensual superpower gaining in comics.
nick: Oh, a hundred.
joe: And I think. I think this was one of those cases.
nick: I feel like most of them are like,
oh, no no one’s really I’m going
for
joe: Some are accident, truly accidental. Like Spider-Man, he got bit by a spider while he was, and
once again, poor lab animal control that, there was, there’s issues, but some powers are like, you’re actually experimenting. You’re actually trying to do whatever thing happens to you and that’s you consent it yourself.
Now was it, should there be, OSHA rule? Should you be looked at and there, human, scientific experimentation, ethics. Yes. But I think you have that category, but then you have the other category where it’s just like. We’re gonna like we joke about the reign of Superman comics where it was like, we’ll give you a sandwich in a, a suit if you lick this rock and we’ll see.
It’s, and we, and [00:41:00] the scientists know something. Something’s crazy’s gonna happen.
nick: don’t know what’s gonna happen but Something’s gonna happen.
maria: Who was that little kid that was chasing back to the Incredibles for a minute that was chasing
Mr. Incredible
around wanting to be
him. And then Syndrome.
Yes. Syndrome. I Forgot how he got his power. What does
He
do? he
joe: he doesn’t have power. That was his whole point. He created technology.
maria: Oh, it was technology.
That’s right, that’s right. Fake power.
nick: Did you hear the theory that he was actually a
Mr.
Incredible son?
joe: What are you watching?
nick: So many random things. on YouTube.
Yeah. There. Legitimate
joe: son or yeah,
wow.
nick: That was pre elastic girl.
joe: Interesting.
maria: Yeah. That
it was
one of those things I was watching and I’m like, that would be weirdly
joe: It would be.
nick: And that’s why he was
going
around with a
joe: Right.
He had all of the shrine to him and he was older than Violet. It’s Right.
maria: but smaller than
Violet.
joe: [00:42:00] Shorter,
He
was like stocky. He had, it was a super
nick: he looks like dash
joe: a non-super, right?
maria: He was Dash,
with a
big head. Yeah.
nick: And his power was having a big brain.
maria: Yeah. I wonder what the, I always the genetics of superheroes, so we have Sue and Reed and they have kids
Mm-hmm.
joe: and they both are powered. And so it’s whatever the mutation was, it’s not, it’s actually
it
could be passed. It’s hereditary, so
maria: it wasn’t somatic
Wanda had kids too,
nick: mary Jane.
Mayday she has powers.
joe: Some,
maria: did Wanda’s,
they
joe: already genetic, right? So with
nick: have
maria: powers. Wanda’s kids had power. Wanda.
and Vision.
joe: Yeah, but vision wasn’t
Android,
maria: He,
joe: I don’t know how that worked, Yeah. right. That’s a different okay. maybe,
maria: was gonna
say wrong topic.
I say with,
joe: with I was gonna say with Re Reed and Sue who got bombarded by the cosmic race, usually, sometimes that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s [00:43:00] gonna pass that you’ve affected your. Germ line. Your germ
maria: cells,
the non somatic ones. I would think it would affect them all.
Yeah. Yeah.
joe: What do you think it would, Yeah, mutate with similar, so really the mutations would be
maria: I think it’d be random.
joe: Okay. So that’s why the kids not necessarily have invisible and
maria: I have no
evidence. What else
I would predict it.
would be
like rolling the D It’s rolling the dice going up in the cosmic race. Yeah. So It’s every kid would be different. That’s the weird part.
joe: but also, but that, you can say that with Sue because she has all of her a, your women are born with all of their
maria: you got all your eggs.
But
joe: sperm are regenerated. And so that means his germ line, the actual progenitor
maria: And maybe that’s a wild card. Why,
why they have different powers
joe: and maybe, and you said maybe it’s just one big stem cell. So maybe when he reproduces, he just regenerates some genetic out of the juice soup.
maria: Gotta throw juice In there.
don’t you?
joe: [00:44:00] I did it. I was gonna
nick: juice soup
there, Joe?
joe: I was trying, I’m birthing a new term.
Soup Primordial
maria: Mm-hmm. That
joe: Could you
imagine? He’s like lashing around after he gets out of a battle.
nick: One of my
maria: favorite. I think that’s what happens. And then
nick: And you’re saying juice so much and
maria: and then the cells decide, oh wait, I’m the heart cell and oh,
I’m the liver cell and oh I’m your
bones’
joe: have little, or you could just
maria: go where they need to nuggets, little
joe: in there that are for me.
maria: I believe that.
joe: And then. And then you would just, and that’s why you can move the organs around, like you said, they move, they’ll reform his livers here.
And that goes to what Jonathan was talking about, like the medical treatment. Could you imagine like cutting into him and it’s just just
nick: don’t think you’d even need
to cut into him,
He could just pull it out? to the
joe: he’s he’s incapacitated. You gotta help him out. Like he’s now, his heart’s stopping or his, his lungs are not inflating.
maria: I don’t think you could cut into him if he were conscious,
joe: he’s un, let’s say he’s unconscious, you knock [00:45:00] him out and now you’re gonna have to do some work, right? Because we’re saying that when he is conscious, his cellular regeneration or his interdimensional mass, Ree equilibration is so active that if he is
conscious,
he will stop you.
But that means if he’s conscious and he wants medical treatment, he can allow you to open him up.
That would be,
nick: he just open himself up then.
joe: Can you just open yourself up?
Can you make a pore?
maria: Yes.
nick: he’s able to move
every
other thing around his body. Why wouldn’t he be able to just
plop
it out front?
joe: Like he would just move it out like in here’s
maria: I’m gonna move it right here. Here’s my liver. Here, go here.
This is
nick: I need it to be
joe: Maybe he doesn’t need fixing. Maybe he can just generate, but I guess if you have a genetic issue like cancers, like what? What’s his Yeah.
nick: because Mm-hmm. I don’t
maria: think he needs anything fixed, to be honest.
nick: If you go into the cancer category, then you get Deadpool.
Who his body’s constantly killing himself, but he’s also regenerating [00:46:00]
joe: Yeah.
nick: It’s that war with himself.
joe: Now what if Reeds other dimensional reeds aren’t all superpowered?
Would,
Could he pass superpower.
Material back and forth through to dimensionality as he’s stretching and reforming and he’s pulling from his other counterparts,
maria: don’t pull from
the wrong
one. Is that what you’re saying?
joe: Don’t pull from
nick: then you can’t even choose. You
can’t pick and choose who you’re pulling from.
joe: Maybe can,
maria: I think he
has more control than you think. because he
doesn’t Maria, get cancer. That would be cells outta control. He’s in control of the cells.
And
joe: he’s regenerating ’em at that level, would he would,
nick: but
doing the interventional portals, that’s where you’re like,
maria: he says buddies on the other
side. he that.
Yes.
is the only pulling
joe: from dimensions that have super they’re already, they have the cosmic ray, so
maria: That’s his brilliance.
You guys that missed the
joe: pool of,
nick: I feel like
that, [00:47:00] I.
don’t know. Like it,
joe: Yeah, I think cancer is interesting because his, if he has this rapid regeneration also that means his cells have figured out ways to bypass the normal checks that cells have.
So with normal cells, they have like contact limitations. So once they your cells touch each other, they stop growing. But cancer cells, when they have certain mutations, they’ll grow over top of each other. They almost become immortal ’cause they’ll just keep growing into a big mass, uncontrolled mass.
That’s the idea there. So if he’s, now he’s taking advantage of that system to actually create rapidly new cells to stretch and manipulate his internal organs. Now, his external structure,
maria: but to control it enough so he doesn’t turn into a giant sarcoma.
joe: Yes.
nick: A What
maria: basically his
stretchiness over
I
want
I say
over produces itself.
and just
takes over.
Oh
yeah.[00:48:00]
oh it’s
a
A soft tissue tumor. Oh.
yeah. So if you don’t
have control of this process,
of
Not
overgrowing yourself,
You turn into an OMA
and in that situation. be sarcoma. so,
joe: yeah.
nick: Did not know
maria: either. Yeah. I
nick: I feel
like there was a lot of words that dropped. today
maria: know.
nick: wait, what is
that?
Yeah.
What
else you got for us there, Joe?
I see,
joe: I always got
nick: tapping away.
maria: Do you have questions?
joe: Questions? As a quiz?
maria: Yeah.
No, I mean.
Generated questions.
No, I, think we
went through a portal. we went through.
joe: Yeah. I just have I
maria: control of the Slushy. A slushy, is better than juicing
juice.
joe: You, and you don’t, do you slushy?
maria: slushy
joe: slush
up?
maria: Yeah. Because you have a catchphrase like slush up
better than
smoothie.
I dunno. than smoothie.
nick: It’s better than juice.
maria: [00:49:00] Better than juice.
joe: He’s juiced in there. I let’s go. I do have a little list of characters and we talked about Mr. Fantastic already. And everything that he does, plastic man
DC
Yep. He was there and he like can twist himself and he he’s more cartoonish than Reed I think in the comics.
Like more, more humorous and what he does, we talked about last girl Helen Par and hers was more genetics had. Plastic man was a chemical accident, so he fell in and he became, his skin became elastic and his, almost like he got dipped in vinegar or something and
maria: Elastic
or
plastic, because I think of plastic, The opposite of elastic. Yeah.
Okay.
nick: Which he also goes from good to bad a lot.
joe: He does. Yeah. He’s you
nick: know where he’s at.
joe: Yeah. He’s kinda like a joker or where he has
nick: falls in the dead pool
joe: Yeah, maybe Deadpool. Yeah. I
maria: Can he do a flat Stanley?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
he’s everything
nick: like this This guy I feel like he’s [00:50:00] more all over the place than Reed is.
joe: Somebody didn’t, not
realize elongated man
and
he was a DC character also. He consumed gin gold extract. And that. Made ’em stretchy and as gin gold was based on ginkgo extract which ginkgo extracts a real thing. It won’t make you stretchy.
maria: It’s often used to support
cognitive function, memory, How do you know that show?
joe: to the brain.
maria: It just won’t make you stretchy.
it’ll, you’ll know
joe: you need to drink
maria: rabbit
joe: hole of research is, we’re know, take
nick: he’s trying to
save us from
people being Like,
I
drank this ’cause you,
mentioned it on the
show. I just
joe: a quart of ginkgo
maria: and nothing happened.
joe: thing that stretched was my inside got
juiced.
Someone I wasn’t, and maybe, are you familiar with one piece? Yes. And Luffy, is it Louy?
Luffy Monkey.
nick: I
read
them. I [00:51:00] don’t,
I will pronounce it However,
I
do in my head. but I’m not gonna say it.
out loud.
joe: Luffy.
maria: Luffy. Luffy.
Like Puffy.
joe: They have like rubber arms and can bounce and things like that.
Someone I
came up to T 1000 from Terminator two. Liquid metal.
nick: No, I
wouldn’t say. Is he
joe: they can stretch out and they can manipulate their liquid metal form. It’s not biological, but it is a stretchy material that he has functional control over.
maria: think you’re getting into the materials science
world. And we need
joe: maybe Reed maybe he’s liquid metal
maria: science.
joe: And he gets stretch a thousand still difficult. Then there was, when I was a kid, I remember. Stretch Armstrong.
And a stretchy latex
maria: I remember Gumby
joe: was here. Gumby
So
maria: not a superhero, but Gumby.
joe: But Gumby,
maria: that’s
joe: right.
nick: Don’t know. Gumby was
joe: He was a super, oh my god.
nick: I’m here to say?
[00:52:00] It?
maria: You liked pokey
nick: Yeah. He was mean to
maria: pokey
nick: all the time.
joe: there it is.
maria: Read. Richard’s not the NICE’s guy.
in the world either,
So
joe: Gumby
maria: that love, hate that internal war.
joe: Gumby never took pokey to space to examine cosmic race.
nick: Pokey
is a
creature
that has,
joe: He can’t
nick: speak for himself.
maria: Okay.
nick: Stand up for the little guy there, Joe.
saying,
joe: man, it was. We have it there, but yeah. Gumby, I haven’t thought about Gumby in a while. Do you know the Gumby theme song, Maria?
maria: I do not.
nick: I Am Gumby. I am Gumby. that’s it
joe: went. I don’t. And then the go historical 16th century and this has come up journey to the west.
It’s one of China’s four great classical novels. There’s a character s song, W Kong, the Monkey King, and he could
nick: Oh, I, for God,
joe: stretch, transform his body and [00:53:00] shrink and grow in size. So more size morphing powers than any elasticity, I think we’ve been using those a little
interchangeable.
nick: Miss
Marvel goes in big,
and then
she Makes herself giant.
joe: yeah,
nick: So, yeah, it’s
a possibility
to use it.
joe: Yeah.
And I thought I just, now, I don’t know why, just when you said that made me think of it. The pin particles and that
maria: was
joe: we and the inner
maria: dimensionality
joe: aspect of it with mass conversion.
And so it could be a similar thing. Maybe read, discovered pin
maria: Yeah, I think mass is off the table. We talked about
preserving mass before mass
is never
off table.
No. I meant in terms
of conserving mass.
joe: That’s your hand. Wavy re’s, just like mass is gone
maria: It
went into the portal, into the
internal portal.
nick: Joe opened that can, and you’re like, yes, portal. I
don’t have to explain.
anything.
joe: right.
nick: Put it in the I like it. [00:54:00] Like you explain it by explaining it
joe: and it’s just explained.
But yeah, no, I think we’ve covered, like we talked skin. The only other system I had was muscle, but I think if we can get skin and everything else, then you would just, you would do the same trick. Just grow a bunch of new muscle or pull it from, another
nick: So Would he be able to make himself as big as the Hulk?
joe: Yeah. Why not?
he,
does, he does that kind of, that’s if he’s, if you’re going to do it, then yeah, I think he could beef
nick: don’t see why he would need,
joe: I think there’s a different episode and maybe one on just mass conversion. ’cause I don’t know where the Hulk gets his mask for him, like when he bulks up.
So either he has cellular, the same sort of process that he can
maria: pin particles.
in reverse.
No,
nick: It’s actually a portal that just comes out of nowhere in his,
joe: it’s the ga Yeah.
maria: antman. Got really big ones. Really
big, ones.
joe: He had to have orange slices afterwards too. But yeah, no, so you have that, the muscle, but you’re right, you could see [00:55:00] Reed, I think, if you maintain strength a thousand feet away, then why can’t you just bring that back in this beef up?
Become, bigger than Hulk,
mass wise.
maria: I,
always think of ’em as stretchy.
though, and not Really bulky.
joe: Yeah. I think he doesn’t take advantage of it. He presents
nick: I mean he doesn’t
maria: he doesn’t Oh, he is holding, back.
He’s
joe: holding, he presents as like a skinny, lanky dude.
nick: I feel like he doesn’t need to be strength like he has been for that, for the most part.
And then,
joe: That’s just,
nick: he just works.
in self around things.
joe: right? Is that they got the strong guy
nick: Yeah. I mean if you don’t need to,
joe: he doesn’t need the flex.
nick: Yes, he doesn’t need a flex on Ben. He’s
joe: He’s just juicy.
nick: alright.
I need you
maria: yeah,
I,
think what
we decided, this one
joe: very hand waving.
nick: I, think we proved it and we’re, we’ll talk about it in
maria: I don’t know. I mean, there’s a little hand W [00:56:00] portion to it. I think the human body can do strange things
And
bones
can get
Flexible and muscle. you,
still,
joe: you’ve avoided the how flexible are we talking before breakage?
maria: Inches There are or feet?
Oh,
Not
joe: Okay. So we’re already,
maria: but if you can do it a little
and you
get a cosmic
ray hit, then you can do it a
nick: See, this is why I like having her on.
maria: That’s the potential. because there’s precedent there. It’s just on a different
scale. race have you seen this happen?
joe: You have a
maria: what have you seen it on?
joe: i’s why
I want,
maria: anything hand
joe: I’m on team hand Wao, you’re on team. It could happen if we find some cosmic rays. Let’s do
maria: it.
Cosmic gray and a portal. we got both.
Get a
phone call from you Joe,
joe: guess what? Those cosmic rays?
maria: we got a trip. you wanna take it?
nick: Hey Joe, you wanna go
on a road trip
maria: at your base?
nick: To where?
Space. don’t worry.
joe: Yeah, I don’t know. You too. You’re really [00:57:00] leaning into these cosmic
maria: your brains.
joe: I,
don’t Woo. Yes. They’re insides will be juiced. We’ll see you.
maria: that in
Slushy. slushy Smoothie.
joe: Slushy Smoothie.
maria: Reed
joe: Mr. Fantastic. Mr. Pedro Pascal himself. That’s who’s playing. Mr. Fantastic. Are you excited about the movie, Maria?
maria: Now I’m gonna have to see it Yeah,
for sure.
There it’s, yeah. Yeah. I’m
growing excitement. Can’t you tell
Your excitement. I’m stretching.
my excitement container. Oh, I Can’t wait to hear the fanfic from this movie.
nick: Oh,
joe: all
maria: gonna Have to have a watch party.
or something. Yeah. have watch
joe: Alright.
I think that’s yeah, I think we can wrap this up. We wanna thank Maria,
nick: thank you so much for being here. My pleasure.
maria: My pleasure. I learned a lot.
some
nick: words that, I’ll never
maria: lot.
joe: words.
Yeah. You have me, Joe.
nick: You got Nick.
joe: got Nick. We’ve got Nick and [00:58:00] yeah, thanks for Go listen.
Fantastic Four, see the watch a movie. couple days, it’s coming out. So yeah, super excited and we’ll report on it in our mini, I think we already made a date to go. Awesome.
maria: you
gonna interview people again?
Okay.
joe: but
maria: No. That like strangers, what’d you think of the movie? What’d you
joe: Not at the movie. No, that’s, yeah.
Okay. yeah.
And
nick: we went down some stretchy holes.
joe: Y’all stay safe out there.
nick: Bye. Bye.
joe: Love you.