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joe: [00:00:00] Hey,
welcome back to the Rabbit Hole of Research down here in the basement studio. And next a little
We are in the spirit. Here already. We have the full crew. You got me, Joe,
Nick: got Nick. You got Nick.
Geo: Georgia.
Chris G: We’ve
joe: got Georgia. And we have a guest joining us for this
Chris G: How is everyone?
What’s going on
guys? Why?
Nick: Hello there. I didn’t see you there until you spoke.
joe: a
Chris G: I’ve been hiding.
joe: thought
we had gremlins in studio, but. We don’t, will you please introduce yourself?
Chris G: I’m Chris
Guzman
and I’ve known Joe for a few
years through the Northwest
Indiana ComicCon. Mm-hmm.
joe: Mm-hmm. And you are an artist?
Chris G: I
am an artist.
I’m the official artist for one of the boxing halls of fame
in Belfast,
New York. Specifically the Bare-knuckle Boxing Hall
of Fame,
which was illegal for
a hundred
years.
And
just maybe eight
years ago, nine years ago,
became
Legal again
And and [00:01:00] popular very popular. on Pay-per-view.
Chris G: I’m actually known as the boxing glove artist. I’m I’m the one that’s painting on the gloves and chasing folks down, getting them
autographed, And I’m An autographed nerd.
I’m a pop
culture nerd.
eighties in particular.
And I think
folks that
were born in 1975 have a distinct advantage
over others.
joe: I
Geo: wait a
joe: agree.
I wholeheartedly
Geo: you hear
Chris G: that Not Looking to alienate anyone
in the
room. I
Geo: you hear that?
Chris G: There’s a comradery there.
That’s all I’m that’s all
I’m getting at.
Nick: Oh,
is that ’cause it’s the two gentlemen in the room.
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: that’s us.
Chris G: Oh, is
that you? That’s me.
joe: That’s me. That’s me.
Chris G: I was way off. Pardon me. Pardon? me. Yeah.
joe: Yeah. All right. We’re here to talk about Gremlins. Yeah. And
so
I have this was I was actually at Northwest Indiana Comic-Con this year.
Saw Chris and I was talking about the podcast and he was like, have you done gremlins? And I was like, you know what?
There
it is. That’s an episode. So glad we made it work. And I have my little.
Chris G: [00:02:00] Intro.
Nick: A
joe: I I, you know, I, it’s, there’s always
gremlins has a natural list, but, so I’m gonna
Chris G: read
Geo: it’s, yeah. No, it’s his
joe: It
My description.
Geo: he’s studying, setting, the stage. Stage. I
Nick: so many times, I can’t even remember.
Geo: I think it changes every time, what we call it. I try to keep it short and sweet ’cause you guys don’t like it when it’s long and
Nick: wordy.
joe: I got gremlins.
Chris G: using
Nick: words and whatnot.
joe: weren’t, gremlins weren’t born in a Hollywood script.
They came from the sky, from the cockpits of fighter planes. When engines failed without warning or instruments spun wildly without cause. British pilots gave the phenomenon a name gremlins. These creatures were never seen, only blamed ghosts of the machine imagined saboteurs who chew through wiring and logic alike.
It was folklore built for a mechanized world. Where myth and metal overlapped at 30,000 feet. But in 1984, the Gremlin evolved into the cute face of [00:03:00] horror,
Joe
Dante and Steven Spielberg’s, 1984 Gremlins recast the superstition of World War II failing equipment into something far more visible and more dangerous.
It arrived in the shape of a fuzzy Malwai,
Chris G: an adorable
joe: pet named Gizmo, and governed by a set of rules so specific they almost dared you to break them. Don’t get them wet, don’t expose ’em to sunlight, and don’t feed them after midnight.
Chris G: There’s
joe: lot of hand waving ’em to unpack. But back to the story, it unfolds against the backdrop of a snow covered town blinking with Christmas lights.
Which brings us to one of the most pressing questions that I have. Is Gremlins a Christmas movie?
Geo: Why? Definitely.
Yes. Yeah.
Chris G: you better believe
it. Good
Lord.
Nick: It’s more of a Christmas
movie than Die Hard. I was saying
joe: No, don’t. Hold on.
That’s not, no,
Geo: Die hard every year.
joe: Die. hard
is
definitely
movie.
I agree. I think it’s
Christmas movie, but I have seen a debate where it’s not a [00:04:00] Christmas
Geo: movie
Why? Because it’s who?
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: It goes the same thing
Geo: but
Chris G: Silent Night. Deadly Night.
Nick: Oh my God.
Chris G: Is also,
Nick: know, hold on.
You gotta do the better of the two. Silent Night. Deadly Night Part two.
Chris G: I usually, I usually reject sequels. my friends
that are listening right now are like, oh yeah. Done. Messed up there.
Nick: You gotta do garbage day
Chris G: Oh.
Geo: No.
I dunno.
Chris G: If you didn’t get it right, if you
didn’t get it right in the first one.
I get angry when you force
a
sequel upon, me. Yeah. Okay,
So what was I doing yesterday to prepare for
today?
I
was
watching
Gremlins two, the
New batch
joe: It’s
Geo: It’s
Chris G: against
my moral compass.
and Personal we have a whole little
Geo: Oh no, I’m
just saying you gotta have exceptions.
joe: do. Yeah. And we have
Chris G: a always
joe: a running little debate down here about sequels, which are as good or better than the original. And
so some that we’ve
had, we had, I had, I have a couple examples. One is Alien and Aliens,
Nick: is not a debate.
Chris G: It’s,
joe: I
think it is. I think [00:05:00] aliens, it’s just
Terminator one. Terminator two. And
Chris G: and
joe: I’m trying
to think. And then we had
Nick: Terminator one, Terminator two
joe: Is that
No. Oh. Star Wars and new Hope and an Empire Strikes Back.
I think
so. Episode
Chris G: Trilogies get a pass for me,
especially when you’ve made 30 of them at
this point.
I can’t really hold you to any hard fast rule,
and I’m not gonna call Empire
Strikes back a sequel.
it
was part of a larger story in the
first
Geo: I
have to agree.
It was,
yeah,
joe: I don’t know. I considered a sequel.
Geo: I mean,
I guess there are
times you
joe: the
Terminator movies, I think
Chris G: was
joe: idea
there was
Unlike The Matrix, which I think was also planned as a trilogy, and it really fell apart
in
the second and third one.
My, my opinion. Okay.
Geo: Anyway, let’s, get back
to the
joe: not talking about
any of that,
Chris G: Lawrence Fishburn line
two.
joe: right.
Geo: is a little early to get way off
topic.
joe: You can, no,
just you
Nick: Joe entered this
joe: I know. I came in [00:06:00] hot.
I thought you
guys were gonna disagree about the Christmas movie, so there it is.
Geo: what do you think it’s a
joe: I do, yeah. I love it. Yeah. No
Chris G: it. There’s no disagreement
in this room. Gosh, It’s,
Geo: it’s most definitely,
joe: a listener out there, don’t think it’s a Christmas movie. Hit us up. Let us know why not
hold,
Chris G: Hold
your
peace.
If
you
don’t
agree with us?
Geo: You’re
Chris G: you’re an
American. You’re allowed
to be wrong. It’s okay.
Awesome.
Alright. Okay,
Geo: So now that we have that,
joe: we have that settled
Nick: that was an
joe: So
Is the new batch as good or
Chris G: better
joe: than the original? No. Okay. Okay. All right. Just
Chris G: Is the new batch as good? Absolutely. not, No.
The
magic of the first one is lost on the second one. They spend more time worrying about science without explaining any of
it, Just
What’s the term you’re
using? Hand
waving. Hand. there. We don’t have video yet. We
joe: will, I’m sorry
Geo: but he is,
Chris G: for those at home. I’m waving
my [00:07:00]
Nick: waving before he even said a
joe: That’s right. It was
Nick: He’s what do you call
joe: the word?
Where I’m doing this thing teacher
Chris G: I’m a school teacher during the day. I’m not Italian,
joe: but
Chris G: I do use my
hands Quite a bit. Very
demonstrative.
Geo: year did Gremlins two come out?
Chris G: 1990.
Okay.
Nick: Interest.
joe: Yeah. Interesting. Mm-hmm.
Chris G: And it looks like it came out in 1990.
It’s
got that shiny, candy shell to it. And
Geo: that’s an interesting point.
’cause I think the original Gremlins was, is such a timeless, it really, I mean obviously there’s,
Nick: it’s
Geo: in 1984, but it doesn’t, it feels very timeless.
Chris G: Timeless. Yeah, Totally. Yeah. Because it’s a Christmas movie.
Geo: I
think that’s got
something to do
with it
Chris G: because
no matter
what, you’re gonna have another
Christmas,
Coming up Christmas.
Yeah.
joe: always happens. You get there.
Yeah.
So I, you almost segued us into the lack of science and explanation. And so I think we can just go [00:08:00] through
as
briefly or as long as we want on the three rules. ’cause I think that’s,
that really
Nick: I have problems with at least two of them. You
joe: You’ve got you.
We’ll start, you wanna start with the one you don’t have a problem with or start with the ones you do have a problem
Nick: We’ll go through and I’ll start calling ’em
joe: Start it out. Go ahead.
Chris G: You could easily have
problems with all
joe: know.
I, I’m a
Nick: I mean,
Chris G: I
wanna
know which one you’re cool with. I wanna know one is totally you’re slick all
Nick: over the sun. The sun one. I’m like, you know what? I could let that one pass go by.
Vampire rules. Whatever
knocked,
Chris G: rules,
Geo: And
Chris G: There
we
joe: There
Nick: there we go. This is
why I
joe: hand wavy of an
Chris G: long
as we’re set
In actual
fact,
I’m good.
Nick: You know, this brings us down to reality.
Geo: But really
there
are a lot of things that happen in
nature that, Like PE-people and animals that are affected by the sun.
so That, that doesn’t,
that seems
more plausible that
joe: you could be Right. I think that
Geo: Or bright lights. bright lights,
joe: could have,
could be [00:09:00] toxic.
Nick: I get it. I to their,
joe: to there, you know, cellular structure. They could have, unstable
chromophores
in their
skin.
And, when they
evolve
From the Mogwai two to Gremlins, they do have different pigmentation. Their skin changes, everything. So there might be some light triggering in there that they have, that you would get this kind of.
Reaction to sunlight.
And it feels like that’s the most consistent rule across
Geo: although the
storyline.
it’s interesting that it’s a bright light that bothers him
and
but the
Nick: of a camera,
right?
Geo: But yet You can have a light on in the
room.
and it’s pretty, I mean,
it’s it’s interesting
like where that
you draw the line, between Bright light. And
joe: It could be like UV in, in the light.
So maybe that’s why sunlight or certain lamps. Would affect them more than maybe a flash. Maybe that’s temporary. No one likes to get flashed in the face with a, I mean,
Chris G: that’s everyone
joe: old enough to
remember the flash [00:10:00] cameras. That’s right.
Chris G: Okay. That’s ticking everyone.
Let’s not put that on Gizmo old
Geo: those old school cameras that had that Yeah. bulbs on the top of it. I mean, those were intense. So they hit you. Yeah. You were seeing, you know,
joe: What’s happening? But yeah, no,
you had that where the sun, they would melt in almost in vampire fashion.
And I it felt, you know, like a lot of these, like a plot device to keep ’em at nighttime, you get to set the story at night , ’cause really that wasn’t the way.
The majority
of them died in the movie theater and
Geo: Ooh, You’re spoiling
joe: Yeah. It’s older
than 20 years. That’s our rule here.
If you haven’t seen it, stop here. Go watch Gremlins least the first
one and move forward. You gotta see
Chris G: I can’t be, I can’t be part of this.
I
can’t be part of this.
Nick: Wow. Is this the first time a guest is leaving? Mid
joe: He’s done. We’re not.
If you’re What kind of fans, what kind of listeners do you have that haven’t
seen Lins
Chris G: Step
one. Watch
it then.
I [00:11:00] mean, then go on and listen to this And
we’ll tear the whole movie apart. And that’s
fine. But You better show
up having
watched it,
joe: but you had it
and so you have this thing.
I, I have some theories about all three rules, but I just want to, I let everyone get their piece on it and then I will,
Chris G: if we’re,
joe: I’ll make ’em all work. I actually figured it
out.
Chris G: If
we’re gonna talk about the sun,
we’re in the sun.
I can hang with
the sun.
This down at the mercy of the court. What about albinos and. Really light and white colored, furry animals almost always are very
light sensitive.
Nick: Mm-hmm.
Chris G: No pigmentation in the Eyes
at all. Even Red a good
portion of gizmo’s body is white
fur. Yeah. That
could be the the achilles heel of the the sun.
joe: Yeah. No I think that’s true. The breakdown is , when they actually, go through their metamorphosis to the gremlin state and they’re pigmented in, so they do actually now go to where they should have some protective mechanisms in there that would [00:12:00] protect them from the sun, and so they would be more resistant.
So I can imagine the moai and their non-converted state. Maybe being sensitive, but then after you switch,
Geo: They almost look like lizards after
joe: look kind of, look like
Geo: Almost
joe: That’s right. That’s right.
Geo: The
opposite.
Chris G: Would
be drawn
to the
joe: That’s
exactly right. Yes. Yes.
Chris G: But I direct
you to a particular fountain scene at the mall.
Geo: the mall.
joe: is true. Yes.
Chris G: Where
you’re mixing every rule
you got
joe: They
did. Yes. Yes.
Chris G: In the water
with the sun. Come
on now.
joe: They did. They did
a lot. And they
and the water. No, we’re gonna
jump
Chris G: That was the fireworks finale though.
Yeah.
joe: gonna
jump right to the, oh, go ahead. Did you have the sun? Because I, we got the fountain and I’ve got
Geo: Yeah, I was gonna say, these rules, the three rules are for all
these
creatures. Not just for Gizmo, right.
Correct.
I mean,
joe: yeah. Okay. So they have
two states. They have the Magis State, and then they have the Gremlin
Geo: So are most of the [00:13:00] mogwai, am I saying.
it?
right?
Mod.
joe: Let’s go with it.
Chris G: You’re
saying it just like the
ancient Oriental man?
Geo: Yes.
Great.
joe: Without
the accent.
Geo: I practiced so many so many times
Chris G: Ah, you nailed it. pipe. You need a cool pipe hanging
joe: out
your mouth You
Nick: me I wasn’t allowed to smoke in the studio anymore.
joe: didn’t
say you had to smoke it. I didn’t Said you
had the pipe in your mouth
Nick: Listen, If you have it, you got
Geo: you anyway.
joe: hunched over a chess board
or something.
I don’t actually don’t know what he was playing. There.
Geo: typically look like Gizmo or do they come in? Variety of fur. Do we know?
Chris G: Oh, we
know.
Yeah.
They
Nick: have an animated show.
Geo: Okay.
joe: Even in, in part one,
they had, when
Gizmo first gets wet Oh, they all All right. That’s two
yeah. right.
Chris G: Secrets of Amay is
adorable.
Nick: It is.
Chris G: It’s
adorable. daughter was
Geo: And that’s an and that’s an anime Animated. show.
Yes. Okay. It’s
Nick: But that came out couple years back, right? Yeah. It’s not that old.
Chris G: No. Probably
pandemic time. Yeah. Okay.
Geo: I, ne I never, I [00:14:00] missed that.
joe: Yeah. I didn’t
Chris G: You didn’t miss all that much. You’re
doing
just fine.
Nick: It’s a kid show pretty much.
Geo: I, like,
kids.
Chris G: was expecting to, I watched a little
of that, Joe, as
joe: you.
It is preparation.
Chris G: And I was expect, okay they’re going
they’re gonna
leave the
string hanging out of
a sweater
and I’m just gonna yank on it. and I’m gonna
learn a
little more that I didn’t know. I
No,
joe: you got nothing. Ear air.
Chris G: Absolutely
not.
joe: All right. So we had the water thing. I’m gonna go, I’m gonna skip ahead.
We, we can loop back. We’re gonna loop back. ’cause I have a, like I said, I have a tethering theory, but the water thing is
probably,
Geo: now, that’s the one that bothers
me. How can an organ, how can an organism
live
And
not even, ’cause he goes, don’t even
dr don’t even give
it water
to,
joe: well, I’m pointing that to her.
I have.
Chris G: have
joe: One word for you. Extremophile.
Nick: man.
You. Is this the season
of Extre of No,
Geo: Wow. I’m
so [00:15:00] excited. that we get,
Can I say it?
You can.
Extreme of vile
Chris G: now, for a 12-year-old listening at home.
can Someone
define extremophile please?
joe: Yeah,
These are organisms usually a prokaryotic you know, single cell organisms that le live at extreme conditions on Earth. So extreme temperature, extreme, pH metabolic extreme.
If you go to thermo vents in the ocean those organisms are extremophile. They’re living at very hot intense conditions. So you, and there are organisms that, besides extremophiles, that can actually, desiccate themselves, can live on minimal water.
The water bears, tar grades.
So you can have organisms that can live.
A extreme. Are you looking something up over there?
Nick: No. I had to make sure my phone volume was off.
joe: Oh,
all I don’t, I was like, you know, so
you do have things, you have desert and
then you can even go up and you go those are, you know, single cell organisms or sim but you got desert frogs, lizards.
They can
Chris G: but live
joe: [00:16:00] on dew and ambient humidity through belly skin. And they, if we go with the sunlight affecting their, and their skin might have some, sensitivity. Maybe that’s because they are absorbing water through their skin actively
a fourth rule.
Might have been Keep ’em, humidified, I don’t know.
Geo: But
Chris G: by the way, the name of my third book is
joe: living On De There is the
Extremophiles.
Geo: The thing is
Gizmo looks like a mammal. I mean,
he really,
joe: I mean, we didn’t
Geo: I mean, you know what I mean? Cute
Nick: you describe it to us? Yeah.
Geo: Yeah. I just, I don’t
think
joe: It had the big
Geo: I
don’t think extremophile when I see Gizmo.
Chris G: So it’s an advance being for sure.
Geo: I still
think it would, that he would require some water to drink.
Yes.
joe: And it
could be.
And now maybe that’s a misinterpreted of the rule. ’cause maybe
Chris G: it’s
joe: it’s sophisticated enough that it could tell the difference between hydration and
Geo: and that could have been
joe: ways
That there, it could have a.
duality. [00:17:00] So water through the mouth
Geo: like you could drink
joe: you don’t get pustules in your
mouth that pop out. You can
Geo: get submerged
joe: Dr. No dribble, no
dribbles down the,
Chris G: I was gonna
say,
joe: you know, no
Chris G: fact you’re riding a razor’s edge there, man.
Geo: I know. And Maybe it’s
just
the dad got confused and added
joe: because there, there
could be like
Geo: a
don’t even let
him drink anything.
joe: There
could be
a threshold, but you had the scene with the guy the science the high school science teacher and you know,
Chris G: honest to god, one of
my
favorite scenes
which takes me to a point
that I’m gonna, try and
joe: okay, go for
Chris G: it.
I
think,
and I’ve never
heard this before, anywhere. I think the purity level Of the water. that is given
To the exterior
of set animal has to do with what type of
mwe.
joe: Oh, interesting. Thumb out.
Chris G: Because the science teacher in the 84 original takes an eye dropper. He’s not gonna use an eyedropper. For tap
water.
How do know?
I’m assuming that
because [00:18:00] I’m married to a science teacher, he’s
joe: have filtration systems. In
Geo: making an assumption here. filtration system. You’re making an
joe: but yeah, go
for it.
Chris G: I’m gonna take a w make a wild assumption
that he’s using distilled water
Because he is
a man of science.
Nick: Mm-hmm.
joe: Yeah.
Chris G: Not
gonna be a lot of chlorine. A lot of fluoride in this water. This is gonna be distilled water. And He does one. drop. It’s very specific
what he’s looking for.
I don’t think you would use an eyedropper for tap water. And if I’m being repetitive,
I’m sorry.
But
I think he’s using distilled water later. The cinematic genius that is Cory Feldman
spills over,
Billy’s
paintbrush water,
Which
is.
I am an artist. There’s artists in this room, definitely. You’re just using Junko tap
water. And
there’s gonna be paint
additives in that water.
So because,
and think
of the
two types of maggi that were produced
from that when the science teacher uses the eyedropper, [00:19:00] it made a very cute, normal, adorable looking mwe and they’re knocking at each other through the cardboard box.
They’re being adorable when the dirty paint water, and it’s not
that dirty. But it is not
as pristine
as what I believe. I
agree.
joe: I agree.
Yes.
Chris G: Now you have five,
right.
One of ’em has a
stripe. One of ’em got crazy eyes.
I mean, you got that crazy eye cousin that you
Christmas only, you know? Yeah. Not really hanging out on the
weekends with
him.
Those five are very
different. And
Geo: That is the
point.
joe: be the,
maybe the chemicals from the paint. I mean, they could also, that could be it. Maybe the tap water, maybe you’re right. Purity of the water. But maybe even tap water would’ve been better than, because even the fountain water probably would’ve been bad.
The swimming pool had chlorine probably in it, and that produced a, a range of organisms off of that. Yeah. So
Nick: Yeah. A range of
joe: it was a range of organisms mm-hmm.
Geo: So It really was.
Chris G: Yeah.
I’ve got a
range of emotions. Right.
now.[00:20:00]
Nick: Yeah that is a really good point though. ’cause having different qualities of water.
joe: No, that’s a good one. I like
that.
Chris G: I
was like 10 or 11 and I’m like, that’s dirty water.
joe: Yeah, it
Chris G: that
was clean water.
Geo: So you’ve been thinking about this for a
while. No.
Chris G: I wasn’t gonna come
into this blind, but yeah.
But that though. I like the water purity thing. You, yes. Yes.
joe: That was no shade on the
Geo: but
joe: teacher.
Sorry, I
Geo: I still think
joe: that. ’cause I
Geo: they need to drink,
joe: They, you know, I just wanna say there was no shade. I just didn’t see any equipment in that room to do, you know, so
that, that’s the only reason I was calling that question. And
Chris G: My wife Angie is listening and She’s gonna say,
oh, there was science there.
Yeah.
Okay. I never saw a one Buns
and burner in that
room. Yeah.
joe: He had a,
also, we
had a sandwich right there.
You’re,
I think there was a lot
of bad scientific technique
in
That scene, so that’s why I questioned the water source. But I, once
Geo: on, we’re, talking high school. hand, I’m waving my hands here.
joe: I’ll let it go. So
Chris G: he had a,
it [00:21:00] was probably
something
a hamster would’ve come
in And then
a cardboard box
over that. a very technical setup.
if I’ve ever seen one. He,
joe: on a limited budget. I mean, that’s a,
Chris G: public school
teacher, Kingston
Falls
let’s have a bake sale.
Let’s
get some real equipment for that
science room.
joe: Please. He’s throwing some sophisticated experiments in there.
Chris G: Now,
one year later, when that was hill Valley.
Nick: Okay.
Chris G: Because the same set was used for Back to the Future.
They would’ve had the the monies.
joe: Yes. They would’ve then,
Chris G: I’m
sure they have a better science department there.
They probably
for Michael J. Fox
joe: sure.
Geo: don’t know.
Did
they have any scenes
in the science room?
Chris G: Yeah, there
joe: was a couple scenes in the science room
Geo: In back to the
joe: Oh, back to
the future. Sorry.
Geo: that’s what I mean.
Chris G: I
joe: Oh, I thought you meant in Gremlins. I was like, yes. I don’t remember. I haven’t seen
Geo: Yeah, I can’t think of any time they visited
the science room
joe: a lot on this show. Maybe we should revisit it.
Chris G: I’m willing
to bet the science teachers
in Hill
Valley
are not leaving [00:22:00] sandwiches
joe: right
Chris G: right out on the, counter. I’m just gonna leave it at
that.
Geo: Yes.
joe: That wasn’t but yeah, then that goes to that Feeding After Midnight rule.
Chris G: Mm-hmm.
joe: That’s
Nick: is another one I just have a problem with.
joe: Yes. There’s a lot
Geo: and why do you have a problem
Chris G: I want to hear,
Nick: First of all, how can mock wise tell time? Like I barely know what time it is
Geo: Oh, you mean like How did they get clever enough to know about the clock and Yeah, and that
Nick: If they’ve been around for centuries, time hasn’t been a thing all that time.
joe: Yeah. And then,
Chris G: okay.
a
Nick: Yeah.
Chris G: the t-shirt right there. Time
has not been around
all that time.
That one down. Yep. Yep.
That’s your Christmas card Nick, right there. that came right
Geo: from Nick. Yep.
Nick: Just we went down Tim Ho.
Chris G: I like it
Geo: when
joe: you have that, like what’s
Geo: and also what time zone? I mean
Nick: If I just cross into the next time zone and I live on the border [00:23:00] time, are they gonna be like, you know what, you’re good.
Geo: you
know what, you’re good.
But you know, there is precedent ’cause think about the pumpkin in Cinderella. That was
midnight.
Nick: what?
Geo: That was
midnight
joe: but it was set at a particular time zone.
Geo: Change
joe: It was, there,
Nick: It was a one.
You know. Alright. This one singular pumpkin gets to turn back at this specific
joe: time. And that could have been, that could have been a time thing, like maybe this in the story didn’t go, it’s eight hours in 42 minutes.
Chris G: if Cinderella is The precedent.
joe: Yeah.
Geo: that is the thing we’re
basing all science
Chris G: I got nothing.
Geo: It’s the baseline.
Yes.
Chris G: Yes. Counselor I
refer you to
Cinderella,
minute 38.
Oh.
Nick: Oh. But it’s like that, that one just doesn’t make any sense for me at all. Why is it exactly at that time for them?
joe: Yeah. No,
that one is
hard to explain. But you could have some,
Nick: there is no extremophiles that can’t eat past [00:24:00] midnight.
joe: But you could, there could be some sort of internal, you could have that circadian Yeah. Kind of, threshold that then would, , as you go, that didn’t with, in a
Geo: and what is it about eating? What is it about eating that makes them
joe: that might trigger, I mean, it
could
Geo: I mean,
joe: You guys know my favorite thing to talk about
Geo: a Big Mac.
joe: Yes. And so maybe they need calories to actually, go through their change. That metamorphosis.
Geo: you don’t Give them that food, they won’t do
joe: They won’t change.
So maybe it was
Geo: but who cares if they transfer
in the daytime
or at night,
Chris G: could
joe: be a misinterpretation of the rule.
Like we said, there was this Asian gentleman
Nick: Because it would
Geo: saying a translation,
joe: could be a translation issue. And it just turned out don’t feed after midnight. But it could be at a particular, like how much you feed ’em, like the, you know, and what you feed ’em. Does chewing gum equate food?
Is it just the act of chewing? Is it the calorie? That wasn’t clear. And a lot of it they were just scarfing down a big plate of raw chicken or undercooked [00:25:00] chicken that I was little That was a
Chris G: It was Sweaty chicken.
joe: I was
Chris G: was sweaty chicken.
Nick: Chicken
joe: was,
Chris G: Thank
you for bringing that
Geo: I love the way gizmo
goes.
joe: I was like no thanks, man. It’s like
Chris G: I love
that.
There’s
literally 30
pounds of,
joe: that’s right. Yeah.
Chris G: Just sitting in the
fridge, just chilling.
joe: Salmonella, anybody.
I mean, it was. It looked pretty rough. That was some gross chicken.
He didn’t cook it. It was like, oh yeah, you guys
can eat raw chicken.
Like he has fed them nothing. Were they eating raw? Like he got no dietary instructions, a how to feed him, right? And so I don’t know what they were eating throughout the day. So , were they feeding him dog food? And then Meida went and got, okay, you guys are whining, let get you some chicken.
Chris G: And it was the closeup of them eating that chicken is
joe: it was, yes.
Chris G: Ghastly.
Geo: It’s,
joe: that was a horror right
there in itself
that,
Geo: it was
joe: put that on clip. They it at a little loop
and show people.
Geo: like, oh, I dunno. Yeah,
joe: And they’re pulling, it’s like
kind of that
raw tearing of
Geo: I,
Chris G: that [00:26:00] was not fully cooked chicken. We’re just gonna leave it at that.
No, absolutely not.
joe: I mean they probably all got gastrointestinal poisoning.
I don’t know. That’s
like kind of, so
Chris G: so
old man
has
the rules.
somehow the grandson, hears the rules,
Tells Mr. Peltzer as he’s out in the street.
Oh
yeah. By the way,
joe: Here’s some,
Chris G: and then Hoy. Axton
who played the dad tells Billy, right.
Is that the first version of Chinese telephone?
joe: I, maybe not the first, but,
Geo: Yeah.
No, I No, I think
joe: They’ve been around
for a while, man. Yes I know
Chris G: I just mean.
joe: Yes. Yeah, I got it.
Geo: could be Lost. in
joe: I
think a number of these rules
could have been lost in translation a little bit. You know, I think
Geo: that’s, mm-hmm.
joe: that’s probably what’s happened and they may understand the replication cycle of.
You know, the Mogwai and then these rules are just passed around, and
then it just got , lost in translation. That was a movie,
Chris G: wasn’t
joe: it?[00:27:00]
Chris G: early
Scar Joe,
joe: Bill Murray.
Geo: But
Chris G: yeah.
Nick: I do think that it would have to be like a daytime thing for them, like afternoon, because you would assume that they’re more nocturnal because of the sun, like having that time being at midnight, which would be in their. Regular
Geo: when they’d be up and
around.
Nick: It just, I don’t know. That part kind of always lost me.
Geo: Is there any folklore like that in general that you can’t eat after a certain time and it causes some sort of issues?
Chris G: Lent Passover.
joe: that is true.
Geo: That is true. Okay.
Chris G: Toss some
religion. on You
Heathens.
Geo: Thank you
for reminding me of
joe: that
religion. We need it.
Chris G: I’m here for you my brother?
I’m here for You?
joe: and the
Nick: is the first time I’m hearing of it.
joe: go watch it.
Chris G: have so
joe: Have some raw undercooked
Chris G: chicken.
joe: No, don’t do that. Sorry,
Chris G: that was not an endorsement. of raw
chicken. Yes,
joe: no.
Watch that scene and you’ll understand why you shouldn’t
Chris G: and You’ll probably not want to have [00:28:00] chicken for a month.
So
joe: yes, I think the eating one
Geo: is the hardest, almost.
Chris G: It,
joe: It makes the, and if you’re gonna
constrain it by the time and once again I think that was just a nice plot device ’cause you had to move the story along.
You can’t go, when they eat 5,000 calories in one sitting,
they will,
it will turn into a gremlin or a half eaten cold cut sandwich
Chris G: I also change quite a bit when I eat that much.
joe: Yes, that’s right
actually. Undercook chicken, you probably,
Chris G: I don’t grow claws, but
I’m, definitely in the restroom for quite a while.
If that chicken’s not cooked, properly.
joe: Probably wish you grew some
claw. Get something out of it.
Like
Geo: but I do like your idea about the
transformation. Needing calories.
joe: Yeah. Back to the water. I’m going to, I was,
had a,
another thought and had written down was reproduction.
And their reproduction is interesting because it’s not clear if all the gremlins are of one.
Sex.
And so the [00:29:00] water is like a asexual reproductive mechanism
Nick: Hydrous,
Geo: Hydro
Chris G: talk to
me about
joe: hydras plantar fungal species that are activated by water and reproduce. So there are, there is some reproduction would be the way you go is that there is the water’s reproducing ’em, and then the purity of the water, if that is the trigger, then that could fit back into that, that model there, that your genetics and so if the water is the trigger and it has impurities in it, they could actually cause different kind of a gene expression that then will lead to the changes.
So is that the way you induce changes? So they’re not all, usually we have asex reproduction, everybody comes out the same. So that’s. Because you just made a clone,
Chris G: essentially. Sure.
joe: So
were do you change that? If maybe the water is the inducer and what’s in the water
they were a big
variety
And that might be a way to blend into different environments
Chris G: So if the
maggi, if Mawa lands in a
mud puddle,
joe: right? That’s right.
Chris G: That’s [00:30:00] right.
Are they just horrifying Mwe?
Nick: Maybe
joe: Maybe that’s it. I
Chris G: you’re Like
you’re
halfway
there anyway. I wanna
see
a muddy
mwe. And that’s the name of the bar I’m going to
Open Joe.
joe: muddy mug.
Geo: I like that.
joe: this
all,
Chris G: we’ll have a midnight buffet.
joe: This all Yeah.
Geo: You can eat
joe: chicken,
Geo: midnight
joe: maybe. Yes. The chicken gets better
at midnight. But
This
leans into an idea I had. What if
the
mogwai were bioengineered weapons? Then all these rules kind of fit. Hm.
Nick: Joe, if you watch the cartoon
joe: were you engineered
in the lab?
No
I think you would have, so you have these weapons then?
Is
that
in
the cartoon? I don’t know. I didn’t
Nick: watch. No, they’re, they live in a mountain.
Chris G: Oh,
Nick: yeah.
joe: What’s I gotta do with being a bioengineer weapon?
Chris G: They
Nick: they weren’t,
Geo: That you know of,
Chris G: they are right.
joe: That’s where they
Geo: that history.
joe: But
You think about all these
things like,
okay, so [00:31:00] water could
be a trigger, and if we now go with this purity thing and adaptability to your environment,
that
then you go, and now you have diversity of organism.
They become extremely aggressive after they transform or after they eat. And so they have the first step reproduction and they adapt to their environment. Second step, they eat and then they gain calories. And then they go into their pupil state and metamorphs, and then they come out as this aggressive semi-intelligent once again, you have a bell curve of intelligence, but you have leaders and you have followers that they can organize and they’re disruptive, right?
Because that’s the nature of the gremlin. And so you have this whole thing, and they’re called gremlins because that’s what they do. So if you had this bio weapon, you drop ’em off as cute pets, and then they infiltrate an area, disrupt the
radar. Electrical systems.
Geo: I
think it was
joe: you would didn’t have that.
Geo: you didn’t have that. I
I think it’s a perfect example of what happened in
joe: That’s right. That’s right.
Released a
bio chaos. And like the sheriff [00:32:00] is basically oh God, and just
Geo: rolls up his window,
sheriff.
Chris G: The
joe: The sheriff for the year. He was not
Geo: Let the guy get attacked by all the gremlins. and he is just oh boy.
And he just rolls up
his,
joe: didn’t even shoot, but they were
they were drinking a lot.
So I think it was, there was some question
like, that’s right. Yeah. It was like,
we’re on duty. But
Geo: think that
could have be a, because it took over the whole
town It quickly. Yeah.
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: And then you
have the one thing I didn’t mention. And was the sun was sunlight and light and how that fits into the bio weapon.
One needs a way to control the bio weapon.
And
That’s with light. And so if you had uv, you understand that you can go in, hit ’em. So at night they’re spread it out, they destroy this place. You come in now to clean up, man, you don’t wanna deal with the gremlins here. So like you need to
get rid of them.
And there you go. So you either wait, today comes and then you, okay, we know you got, most of them take bright uv, lights that would activate whatever kill switch. And they usually are explosive. So actually they actually do some more damps. So you go in, even if someone accidentally figures that out, when they die, they
[00:33:00] eject matter and it’s
Geo: is that just in The microwave,
joe: It’s,
you know.
All right
Chris G: Chris. If you could see me.
joe: He
Chris G: man, I’m in three
directions right now. I was fine. till microwave,
I was fine.
I
was keeping track. I’m Like yep. I didn’t have nothing to do with the microwave,
microwave
Ah.
bug spray in
the
joe: room.
Geo: Excuse
Chris G: me. How badass
is this? Mom?
joe: Yes.
Chris G: You are not
messing with
this lady’s
kitchen.
joe: How many bio weapons does she take down? That’s who
you
Chris G: amazing.
Geo: was amazing.
joe: all right.
Chris G: but knife to the face.
I mean, the juicer, the blender. the, that
microwave.
I’m gonna
Nick: the
Chris G: juicer
Nick: one. Like she just did not
hair. She was like,
you’re in my
domain now.
Chris G: This is my kitchen
joe: One. One last point to the bio weapon.
Chris G: Oh,
joe: and to your point now, ’cause you’ve sparked it, the discussion, I think Billy’s parents were spies
Chris G: and
joe: Billy’s dad was [00:34:00] out as the kind of goofy inventor.
His mom played along with it. Where’d he get all his money from? They weren’t selling those damn inventions ’cause none of ’em really worked. But they were living fairly well.
He was going out. He’s, he is exploring kind of every nook and cranny for a gift.
Chris G: So you don’t believe in the
bathroom
buddy, is what
you’re
joe: telling me?
I, yes.
Chris G: Wow.
Geo: That’s
Nick: hot
take there, Joe. Alright.
Chris G: Or the smokeless
joe: ashtray
Chris G: I thought
I was
on a podcast,
here for a minute,
but I
joe: I think his dad,
Chris G: ashtray.
joe: I think his dad
Chris G: it’s a
Geo: stove.
joe: solo, you know, it’s like the,
Chris G: like a, what’d
joe: a poorly working solos
Geo: a Solo. stove.
Chris G: Oh,
joe: it’s not a solo
Don’t do that to
solo stove,
Nick: Georgia now. We’ll never get their
sponsorship.
Yeah,
joe: Yeah. That’s
a,
yeah. No.
So that’s why his
mom was so adapted that, I mean, she stepped right into that action.
Like she was just, she was going buck wild.
Nick: it.
joe: Yeah,
Chris G: was getting sliced
and [00:35:00] diced in
the
in the Christmas tree.
scene.
Geo: That
one she really was, yeah.
Chris G: Good thing they had a sword on the wall.
joe: Why’d they have
Nick: don’t have a sword? on your a, I don’t know how y’all decorate for Christmas at
Chris G: your house, Nick.
Nick: is constant kata, katana on the
Chris G: wall.
joe: He does have a
Geo: it’s all year round
joe: for the chickens.
Nick: leave my chickens out of this.
joe: Chris is what is going
on? Oh, okay.
That’s a episode callback.
Chris G: Oh, Okay.
Good times at
joe: the zombie episode, I believe. Yes.
Chris G: So you legit do have a katana on your
wall. Yes.
Okay.
So
just put a little
sign.
Chris G: you’re not gonna be into this.
Nick: Yeah. Yeah.
Geo: Did the gremlins
have anything to do with it being on your wall?
No. Oh,
Nick: It’s, it was a gift from a friend that it made its way up into my office.
Geo: Okay.
Chris G: I’d [00:36:00] like to think we’re in a world where everything is connected.
Geo: Everything
is. it’s somehow,
we just haven’t figured it out.
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: We will on this
one episode, we’ll get there and then they’ll cut us off the
Geo: We’ll figure out
Chris G: The
Geo: number to the universe.
But
Chris G: If Mr. Pelzer wants to market these animals
Geo: as
Chris G: the Pelzer pet mm-hmm. Which is what he actually calls
it.
I
bet every kid in America would want one of these.
Yes.
That’s
the perfect little pet. It’s kind of monkey like, it’s kind of bunny like
Geo: just so cute.
Chris G: just so cute.
Absolutely is
the
Maggi
Geo: Stunted growth.
Chris G: Meaning is the maggi, the
caterpillar? Mm-hmm.
Then you can’t keep caterpillars around
forever.
Right,
Which I think plays into
what you’re
going for here.
Geo: So you’re okay.
Chris G: The gremlin is the butterfly, the
gremlin. is The end game. The
gremlin is
the entire point
to that
bloodline. existing. Yep. Exactly.[00:37:00]
We can’t
just have running around.
As
adorable as they are,
Geo: just can’t have a pet
caterpillar.
joe: They’re
gonna,
they’re gonna
eat, they’re gonna eat, they’re
very hungry,
and so they eat
Chris G: and
joe: then they turn into flight.
Chris G: Such
a rockstar comment.
right there.
Nick: Yes.
You
Chris G: You can’t just go
keeping caterpillars. It’s got a very finite life. They’ll let you believe,
Follow these three dumb rules and you could have a mawa indefinitely,
joe: Mm-hmm.
Geo: That brings
up a great point.
Nick: I mean, I would, I still want a mwai,
Geo: Yeah. And okay, Gizmo. the Gizmo stays around, right?
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: Maybe that’s why they don’t need to drink water. Maybe they’re just gonna desiccate down into a little
nothing. Oh,
Oh,
Chris G: Oh,
Geo: that’s horrible.
Chris G: How come Gremlin’s in the
bar scene at Dorie’s Pub. Can drink [00:38:00] beer and pour beer all over themselves.
joe: doesn’t count, man.
Chris G: And
put
their head under the
tap
beer
while their gut just
swells
Geo: That is such a good point.
joe: only 95% water.
Chris G: head.
Geo: Did it go, over your head?
did
Chris G: you You got me there,
Joe.
joe: That’s why I said if you can drink it, maybe there’s a mechanism that when you’re drinking it is that, but you are right. They’re pouring it all. The little dribble with that not activate.
Chris G: Okay. That’s not a little dribble.
They’re engulfed. But yeah, no,
Geo: That’s a really good point. I never even thought
Chris G: it. Does that go back to, was it, Ben
Franklin.
joe: Ben
Franklin that
Chris G: said,
I might be
way off on this. I don’t teach history.
Someone like
Ben Franklin, this is gonna go on
a t-shirt
too.
Someone
like Ben Franklin said in
water
is disease. In beer is purity.
joe: Yeah.
And that’s right. That’s
because
Chris G: rein Heights. about Yeah.
joe: Water wasn’t
safe to drink for a long
Nick: So that
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: Yeah.
Geo: why they
drank a lot of wine.
joe: Why they drank wine and
Chris G: I attribute that to [00:39:00] Yes, yes. Mr. Ben Franklin. I don’t know if it was him.
that said it.
joe: It was, he could, he said a lot of, he was, he drank, he enjoyed his
Geo: we can put it in our, the show notes.
joe: he enjoyed his Yeah. We can put in the show notes. Yes. We’ve got much better
at the show
Nick: Have we?
Geo: No, not, really.
joe: And this one we got,
I mean, there’s episodes that we’ve ripped Yeah, we, it’s doing well. Listeners Know. Okay. Yeah.
Geo: Okay.
I wanna go back
to some history.
joe: History. Oh, okay.
Nick: Of what? Real
Chris G: because we’re on Ben Franklin still. No,
Geo: Not that kind of mean movie history or?
Chris G: No.
Geo: Okay. History. Back to talking about gremlins in World War
ii.
Oh
Chris G: yeah.
joe: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Geo: And like
in the air, like causing
Chaos.
How much of that I really don’t know the
history that
joe: Yeah, RAF pilots in the twenties to forties they coined that term to explain mysterious aircraft failures, that there were gremlins. So that was, and that’s the definition that there,
Kind of invisible impish beings who tamper with technology or
Chris G: and did ever really [00:40:00] describe what they looked
Geo: like?
Or it was a
very, it was just a very, some
joe: and design
Geo: idea.
joe: As I say, this is, it was superstition
Chris G: Okay. They do allude to that
in the movie.
joe: I noticed that at the end. ’cause I had this, I started putting together notes and
Nick: The
neighbor?
Yeah, the
joe: now, right?
Yeah.
Nick: He was always like, oh.
Geo: oh. And
then
he goes, oh,
the gremlins.
like he Vietnam vet or whatever. he was also Always drunk in every scene and they had a Little
Chris G: gremlin in the watches.
joe: The other thing, if we’re going on in our bio weapon, he also was very
Geo: that’s a good point.
Nick: a good
joe: Via, he
was very, xenophobic.
So
Chris G: yeah,
joe: he was
Chris G: he was not borderline
either?
Nick: Full
Chris G: Loud and
Proud.
is what he was.
Geo: we’re gonna, have another movie
that kind of is a cross between Jacob’s Ladder and G Gremlins.
joe: Yikes. Jacob’s Ladder.
Geo: Yeah. because we’re talking like Bio, warfare.
joe: have
Geo: Yeah. That was, like
Chris G: aren’t those the little wooden blocks that are tied together?
Geo: we
Chris G: some video? [00:41:00] Joe.
joe: Yes,
we do.
Chris G: My good stuff.
is
not landing
joe: know you guys see this. We’re missing it. I’m sorry. People we’ll try to describe it.
Chris has his hand in
front of him and he is kind of wiggling it like a fish that’s sort of dying.
Geo: Or
a princess. or
a princess
joe: Oh, a like a drunken princess wave. ’cause it’s
Chris G: You beautiful. People at home
know
exactly
what
I’m doing.
It’s a
bunch of wooden blocks and they’re all tied
together and
They clack and re clack. That’s called the Jacobs
Ladder.
Nick: I’ve never heard of this one.
joe: I have heard of this, yes.
Yeah. Thank you.
No. Yeah, you gotta be a certain age.
Chris G: Is
Geo: specifically
born in.
Nick: Oh no,
Geo: seventy five.
joe: That could be it. Yes.
I’ll go with it.
Chris G: If that’s the best part
of
being born in 75. I want a refund.
I
know for a fact that’s not the best
part,
joe: no.
Geo: I
had never heard of
gremlins in that World War ii.
Chris G: ii.
Geo: lore
joe: Yep. That’s it. Yep. They’re rooted in oral tradition of
aircraft, [00:42:00]
Geo: Chris, tell me
what got you into the gremlins and watching it and enjoying it so much
Chris G: Captive audience. I was nine. I was over the moon, literally, figuratively with ET.
Mm-hmm.
Uhhuh.
And there was rumbling out there that there was gonna be a sequel
to et
That’s right.
And it
was written and It was
I don’t know
if an actual
script was
written for a sequel to ET
or
an ET
two
or whatever they were gonna call it.
But
in researching
tonight, I found out that script that there actually was the beginnings of a script,
and
that ended up becoming
a very
violent
movie that they named Gremlins.
Yeah. And then toned it
way back down.
To make it family.
Nick: That
Geo: I
didn’t realize,
Nick: sense. Because I’ve said this multiple times on the show.
joe: I’m pointing at Nick
Nick: that ET is a predator. That’s right. A hundred percent
joe: a
juvenile. He’s
a juvenile [00:43:00] and was sent here as a scout once again as a cute scout to get Intel.
Geo: I don’t.
joe: And then he had to make his way back
Nick: which makes my point,
joe: the gremlins
Nick: You
heard it here.
Chris G: So I want to hear
Nick’s point. what exactly was it you were
saying,
Because that’s before my time
Nick: during the movie you see the final versions of them. They’re big, tall, and like you’re not really seeing them all.
But they’re more advanced than the little ET version of it. And the amount of powers that he has that you don’t, they’re
Geo: come on.
I
joe: somewhat.
He’s not in full control of his
Geo: I don’t know. I
love ET
joe: He can love et It’s just you don’t
Nick: he’s still a predator.
Chris G: Et
does not love you.
apparently is what
I’m hearing.
Geo: I
don’t love the identity
joe: just
tasty. Raw chicken to them.
Geo: No, I don’t like
Nick: The government should have captured him.
I don’t
Geo: I don’t Like
that. I don’t like it.
Chris G: the government was the most incompetent part of that. movie.
Geo: it really
Nick: Yeah.
Chris G: Yeah. They couldn’t do anything.
joe: anything.
Nick: They [00:44:00] were trash at it, but you know, yeah. ET is a whole nother can of
Chris G: yeah.
Okay, so I’m,
Geo: I
love D two.
Chris G: Yeah. I’m
seven when
ET comes
out.
Yeah.
And then something similar
with the name
Spielberg attached. I’m all in.
And
how did they really market gremlins when it started? The first 30 seconds of a 45 second commercial was Gizmo.
joe: That’s right.
Chris G: They know how
to get my butt there with the
popcorn and the
m
Geo: Yeah. No. They
Chris G: They know how
to get me
to that theater.
Nick: species?
Chris G: And
then Oh, and it turns scary
at the end.
I’ll make
sure mom’s on my left and dad’s on my right.
Geo: exactly what I was telling Joe. ’cause you really think of the movie as one thing and then at a certain point
It really moves in another
direction. you know what I mean? Like
it’s cute and
Sweet.
And
it
joe: like a Christmas movie.
Geo: does,
joe: like a little romcom.
Geo: it gets really intensely
violent and it
gets [00:45:00] really, you know what I
mean?
Chris G: this is the tone
down version.
Nick: I want to
know the script.
Geo: Yeah. Can we have
the there’s gotta
Chris G: be a real
dark director’s
cut somewhere. because the dog was supposed to get.
Absolutely slaughtered
joe: Oh
Geo: Oh my gosh.
Chris G: the mom
was
supposed to get beheaded and thrown down the stairs.
Geo: Oh my gosh. That
Nick: old lady scene was
joe: old lady scene was great. The old lady scene. Yes.
Chris G: And that
was a tone
down version. We did not get what
Chris Columbus was really trying
to do.
joe: I
think they,
It felt like what they were doing was really playing into the folklore of the gremlin, kind of story there that we were, you were talking about this kind of superstition about things messing with machinery because the original gremlins went and that’s what they attacked.
Originally it was messing with the mechanicals, the clock. They messed with that. And that’s why I went to a weapon that they were there as a little aside, I didn’t like ET as a
Geo: I
remember when we
first were like, we
were first going
out. Yeah. And
Somehow
that [00:46:00] came out
and I was really
questioning.
joe: And then I was like, you gotta watch The Thing. ’cause I
was like,
Geo: he didn’t even et I had to question, I had to really question
Nick: No. Wait. When you guys were first going out, you guys saw each,
Geo: okay.
joe: Are you talking about?
Nick: wait, what did you just,
Geo: I’m saying
when
joe: go over movies, like
When
Geo: When I first was getting to,
joe: Hey,
what do you like?
Geo: was
Nick: I was like,
how you guys haven’t been together that long, but
Geo: No, we didn’t didn’t even I was really,
I was upset that you, didn’t, I’m not upset, but that
Chris G: I’m
upset for you. and for me.
joe: I didn’t, I mean, but at that time
of an age, I had seen Alien, I had seen The Thing, my, my parents were very
irresponsible
in movies.
So
Geo: what? It get to ET and was like, what is this?
It was too tame for
joe: I
just didn’t I was
like, what is this? This the Plots. Really? I was like, Justin Didn. It didn’t hold me, but I’m like ready to go back and see The Thing again.
Chris G: So then a few years later, Predator
comes
out.
He’s There’s my boy right there.
joe: that’s right.
Geo: now.
Nick: Was this what ET was supposed to be?
Geo: Now I like
joe: Gremlins.
I’m like, oh, that’s, yeah. Gremlins. I right off the [00:47:00] bat.
Geo: About.
joe: already I had seen these other
Geo: men and then there was the Goonies. The Goonies came out. I don’t know when The Goonies,
came out.
joe: that’s
probably all in that. Yeah, probably that same. Okay.
Chris G: And in Goonies,
there is a callback
to Gremlins.
Love
that.
Nick: Is there really
Chris G: Chunk is
calling the police. It always goes back to the sheriff’s
office.
not Sheriff,
he’s
calling to say there’s these disgusting people, the Fratellis and the sheriff’s. Like last year
when
you told me there were green
monsters running all over the
city.
And you’re like, ah, you’re in the theater going,
I know what he’s
talking about.
Nick: I
never connected those two. I mean, I
Chris G: oh, and he even says, and they multiply when you throw water on him. Like he, he hands it to you on a silver platter. You don’t have to really read into it, but yeah. Wow.
Geo: Do you like Stranger Things
Chris G: very much
Geo: love it.
Chris G: You can’t
Geo: Doesn’t
it have that
ET spirit?
Chris G: It covers so many of those early flicks
for me. ET Gremlins, Goonies, Ghostbusters
Nick: because [00:48:00] ET is a demi go
joe: Are you gonna call?
Chris G: shut up.
joe: That is ET I can’t.
have
Chris G: I can’t have this.
I can’t have this folks.
joe: You gotta watch ET again
Chris G: I’m gonna go home and pray for all y’all right.
joe: With a new
light shine knowing
all these weapons.
Chris G: Joe, if I had known.
that
You
did not like ET I, I might have had to stay
home and do my hair tonight or
something.
I don’t know.
Geo: I know. You Gotta just look
joe: I’m
sorry.
Chris G: might’ve been laundry
Geo: You
watched it later and you kinda
joe: Yeah. I mean, I’m sorry. Later. I No, it was a good, no, it was
a solid movie. I just didn’t, it didn’t catch me
as a, like a nine or 10.
Where old I was at that time.
Chris G: If you think saying It’s
all right. Was it’s gonna
win me back.
joe: No, it’s
Nick: Yeah.
joe: No,
Chris G: The
sword plunged
deep
I was, a
joe: 7-year-old who appreciated The Thing I
way ahead of time. So I’m
Chris G: to, I’m trying, to, see if I’m friends with that kid in that
neighborhood,
I would, but I’m, you’re
Geo: kind of scared of him
joe: And Alien. I mean, I had
seen both of those up at that [00:49:00] point. My dad, I was like, and I asked my dad more. I was like, it took me to see The Thing when I was like seven. He was like you kept bugging me about it. So I was
like, let’s just go.
So we went to see it. I was like I actively
Geo: you’re the one that,
that that got him. take me. So
Chris G: if I knew that kid in the old neighborhood, He’s coming over for lunch,
but not
joe: dinner.
Nick: He’s not staying over the night. He’s not
Chris G: He’s getting Fritos and
Crosscut bologna sandwiches, but he’s
not here for,
dinner.
I’m just, I’m scared of that kid.
Geo: No, eating after
midnight. that’s oh. Yeah. So that’s why we were, you know,
Chris G: tough
joe: that’s Gen X Philly boy, so Yeah. Yeah. You yeah. You live the life.
Nick: and Big Willie style.
joe: Big Willie. Yeah. No,
Chris G: so
I’m told if you call it a Philly cheese steak, they just make you get outta line.
joe: Oh, you can call the Philly cheese steak.
Geo: No, you just have to order. Really?
quick
And
know
Chris G: I’ve been in at Pat’s, I’ve been in line at Gino’s and I don’t get up
to the line and say, can I have a Philly
cheese
steak?
Geo: no, You
say I [00:50:00] have
a one WHI cheese
Chris G: whiz
with,
joe: right. Yeah.
You
don’t have to announce it when you’re there.
Chris G: You know? You don’t go to Giordano’s. I’d like,
a Chicago deep
dish,
joe: I mean, your first mistake is where you went for your chief’s. That’s a
different
stories, so
Chris G: okay.
joe: gotta nowhere to go, man.
Chris G: I liked ET the first damn time
I
saw,
it,
so I think
I
went
joe: was a, you would’ve liked
the original script though. Better if they left those horror elements in there.
Chris G: Not. When I’m
nine,
Geo: Yeah,
joe: I
Nick: I would’ve
joe: kid. I needed,
Nick: I’m there
with No, that one,
Chris G: I can’t.
have Francis Lee McCain slaughtered and thrown down the
stairs,
Nick: like
to have that cute element and then completely switch it at the end.
joe: Yeah.
Nick: Having that continue on with that original script would be hands down, top five for me.
Geo: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
joe: I got it.
Chris G: I’m not saying now
as an ancient
man
that I don’t want to see
that extra dark
director’s cut ’cause I
do,
I’m saying at nine, that’s not the
movie. I,
needed.
Nick: I do have to say I [00:51:00] was a lot like Joe with watching horror movies at a
joe: My dad was like sci-fi horror.
Geo: I didn’t watch horror till much like more recently. Yeah, like really like a horror movie to freak me out. Now it’s
Chris G: I grew up with the shiny ones,
joe: Yeah. Yeah, man.
Geo: The
shiny, is like my favorite.
Chris G: I meant the shiny horror flicks. Oh, Freddy Jason.
Geo: Oh, shiny, not shiny. Shining.
joe: Shining. Yeah.
Chris G: That is a one. And you’re done. You don’t
ever have
to do that movie again.
joe: No,
Chris G: Fantastic.
Geo: so
good. Oh
my I thought you were saying like, you’ve only watched that once. I was gonna be like, whoa.
Chris G: Not what I said or meant.
No sir.
joe: he’s not trying to get, he is not losing fans.
He’s you know,
Geo: He likes ET.
joe: ET. See now
don’t, you know. Yeah.
Geo: I think more than likes.
joe: Yeah, I know you, you’re
Chris G: love it. love
joe: I think it, as far as I love it, I haven’t seen it in a while. Maybe I’ll watch it as an adult and I’ll find some new childhood like thing I miss, like that
little
Geo: No, you’re gonna just be stubborn about it.
joe: have you seen
my [00:52:00] childhood?
You know, maybe that
would do it. Maybe that’s it.
Chris G: that ET is a little darker than you pick
up when you’re seven and
eight.
Nick: I mean, like I said,
Chris G: the kid drinks beer in
the middle of
the kitchen.
joe: That’s the kind of thing you did in the
Chris G: and then Goes to school
That makes out with the
blonde.
joe: Yeah.
Nick: Was it
the kind of thing you did in the eighties?
That’s the
joe: kind of thing you did in the eighties,
Nick: what you do in the
joe: That what you do in the eighties. it was Like yeah, was the eighties, man
Chris G: It what’s the
joe: as long as
you were on hard stuff. Like your brain on a, you know, the fried egg thing. I mean, that,
that was it. A beer?
Yeah. You know,
Chris G: do you know that reference?
Yes. Okay, good. All right. just checking
Nick: that. That is one that I found to
watch.
Chris G: fantastic.
yes.
This
Nick: is your brain
on
drugs. Ha. Yeah.
Chris G: Bill Hicks does a great rendition
of that.
He, goes, the guy’s drunk
when he’s doing? The commercial.
joe: Alright. All right.
Chris G: Shut up.
This is your
brain.
Okay.
Your
brain on drugs.
joe: That’s the eighties. The early eighties.
Cool.
What else you got? You got anything else, Chris? That’s,
Nick: see you have notes over there.
Chris G: I
joe: know. Did we hit it.
Chris G: I
kind of flew through these notes.
joe: [00:53:00] Yeah.
Chris G: I wanted to mention.
Just off the top of my head.
actually, By looking at this, yeah.
That the the word Wai is actually Cantonese.
Oh, For devil or demon.
Geo: Ooh, Wow.
Interesting.
Chris G: The Maua word. Yeah.
And they actually pronounce it
Geo: Wai
Chris G: if I’m not killing that, but interesting. That’s the word they would choose for the cute monster. So it’s all about, it’s all about potential.
joe: Yeah.
Chris G: still
stuck on is the Wai just the
caterpillar? Yeah.
No,
joe: No, I think that is, I think it’s the, yeah, I
think a great point. I’m sorry. I think it, there’s a three stage lifecycle that’s presented, and Lia is one. Then you have the pupil stage and that
Geo: and you had the, what do we call it? the goo or the
joe: They go down to, to actually go through the metamorphosis like a caterpillar.
You actually dissolve caterpillars themselves and then they reform out of that. If anyone’s heard any of the werewolf or vampire know, we [00:54:00] talk about the metamorphosis and then you have the third stage, which would be the gremlin stage. And so I think you have three distinct life cycles. The problem is there’s no connector that goes back to the bio weapon, that there’s nothing that goes
back from
the gremlin to the mwe. And so most life has, most life is cyclic. You would go back, caterpillars, butterflies in lay eggs, and they become caterpillars again. You do the cycle. There is no,
Geo: are you saying because they’re asexual?
joe: Yeah.
You in really the only purpose of the mai is to produce gremlins and there’s no gremlin that produces, that we know of or have seen in any version that produces.
Mogwai.
Chris G: So if a gremlin stubs this toe like a MAI pops out,
there,
joe: then
we’ll get it. Yeah.
If that’s
it. If it needs physical pain or some
Chris G: Joe, if it’s not there, we’ll make it we’ll put it yeah, I don’t know. It needs, or there needs to be, you know, you need to, you need or water
you need
Geo: or water
joe: maybe asexuals that get you through to, gets you to the gremlin [00:55:00] and the water is the catalyst for genetic kind of change diversification.
And then at some point, gremlins do dive verge in their sexes so they actually can reproduce sexually to then get back to the mogwai. So they would have mogwai babies,
Geo: I think,
joe: then those babies then would,
Geo: stretching it. Now
joe: You need to complete the circle. If you don’t, then you got a weapon. So that’s why I went with weapon, because right now they have a linear development and it terminates at the gremlin.
You, you don’t circle back to the mogwai. So that’s why. So either A, we’re just missing that part of the reproductive cycle, which should be,
Nick: was actually in the
X-rated script.
Don’t say it,
Chris G: it.
joe: Don’t say it. That’s not
the movie we want.
Nick: No, it’s okay
Geo: Or need.
Nick: all gonna be explained in the
Chris G: be the movie we need.
but we, it’s not necessarily what we
want,
Joe,
joe: need that movie written, then that’s hit us up.
We’ll write it for you. We’ll write
Geo: so they’re
Chris G: Are [00:56:00] mywe warm-blooded?
joe: We don’t know.
Geo: See that’s what I
joe: what
I that’s what Georgia thought they were mammals,
Geo: like male, but
Chris G: And then they magically become
cold-blooded as
a, that’s a reptilian creature.
joe: know if they’re, coldblooded.
Geo: They do look very lizard like.
joe: They could maintain
and
Nick: the. Yeah.
Chris G: and
joe: allay could be coldblooded and just have fur like, dinosaurs now , half fur like I think that’s coming out that fur isn’t an or hair. We don’t know if it’s fur hair, actually. We’re assuming it was fur, but there are, there’s differences.
I believe I can put that in the show notes.
Chris G: Between her and fur. Fur. Yeah. Okay.
joe: Yeah, Like people have hair.
Chris G: Yeah.
And on
my shoulders I have fur.
joe: yeah.
Chris G: So I get,
joe: let me show my
chest. No.
Chris G: oh if only there was a camera. This Video. took,
joe: This
is
how the gremlins produced.
Geo: No,
It’s
Chris G: probably
joe: something to do with Chuck Norris. A but,
Chris G: I’ll show you some Hydra budding Right here.
Geo: So
I hear there’s rumors of [00:57:00] a gremlins
joe: Three,
yeah. That’s what I’m hearing
scripts written.
Chris G: The only way
I
can
accept that as a super fan is if we’re gonna go back to practical effects. If we’re
not.
If,
you have to,
if you
promise.
to keep CGI off the table.
Geo: Good point.
Chris G: I’ll go anyway.
Nick: Yeah,
Chris G: but I’ll
enjoy myself.
I’ll get the medium popcorn. Georgia
joe: You’ve gotta get, you’ve gotta get Phoebe Kate’s back in,
Chris G: What? now? I’m sorry.
joe: In the th the third one. She’s gotta come outta retirement
Chris G: Phoebe’s gotta
go straight. Ridgemont high. she’s gotta, come out.
joe: We don’t gotta go home.
Geo: That’s been a
Chris G: no. The movie we need versus the movie
we want
Geo: And
joe: walks in
on a couple gremlins, getting busy. I mean, this is
Chris G: Nothing
crazy.
The line has to be
drawn somewhere and maybe it’s there. I’m not,
sure.
Nick: I think it’s further
down. Don’t she gets that script. That’s like I was
joe: in until, oof. I don’t know. That’s the vision they’re having. I don’t know. Okay. We’re getting a little
Chris G: off.
It’s a mug wife for bikini. [00:58:00] That’s it.
Geo: That’s it.
Wow.
Chris G: I’m
sorry.
joe: No, Sorry we turned It up. Your you got lost away in there when I just saw it in your here it is.
Nick: yes, this,
Geo: So there
May be a Grims
joe: There
might be. I heard the scripts done as in Spielberg’s hands, that was the rumor mill.
Everybody, all the cast that’s alive has said they’ll do it except pme. She has not. It’s unconfirmed if she would jump back in. But I figure if everyone
Geo: else.
Corey Cory’s in.
Chris G: in,
Corey is
in,
let me,
Nick: he’s sick
Geo: there
Chris G: make this
abundantly.
clear. He is available.
Sweet
Lord
joe: Courtney
Chris G: signed on
10 years ago.
for this,
one,
and
Corey Feldman, I know you’re out there listening man. I love you. You have been nothing but awesome. to your fans.
I [00:59:00] met you two, three times. You are
fantastic.
Geo: No, I love and the
Coreys, I mean, that was a big thing for me. I love, Yeah.
Chris G: totally.
Geo: The Lost Boys. I mean,
come
on.
joe: The Lost Boys.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Geo: Yeah.
joe: Yeah. Nick looks confused.
Geo: You
know?
Nick: who was in the wait? He was in the Lost Boys.
Chris G: Oh, yeah.
He worked in the, he worked in the shop.
Geo: He was
one of the young Oh
Chris G: Cory
Nick: Oh
Chris G: Yeah. Oh
joe: Oh
Geo: Okay. yeah.
joe: Yeah. You’re just stuck on a guy playing the sax and oiling up his
chest.
Nick: Yeah.
joe: you know,
That’s,
Nick: That’s what I do.
That’s my nightly
Geo: all
you remember,
in
that at home if you
Chris G: knew what you were missing,
without
the
visuals.
joe: This is fun. Now I
want to
we’re getting to the close of the episode, but this was episode 50. Woo.
Geo: Woo. What?
joe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I didn’t, I meant to mention at the top, but it’s at the bottom here, so if you listen to the whole thing, that’s why we’re a little, and we’re having this candy cane, imperial stout.
We really haven’t talked about the beers
Geo: Yeah,
joe: we’ve been
Nick: Yeah, we haven’t talked about that in a minute. I thought that [01:00:00]
Geo: It gives you, the holiday
spirit. yeah. Candy, gain.
Chris G: it was.
Geo: It was. And it was a. Beautifully dark.
joe: here we go.
Chris G: And Very
Geo: Stout with a tan head.
Chris G: She’s got
the nighttime voice
going. I dunno.
joe: we’re about to turn to some you know, gremlins here.
Geo: stop. That’s as tasty
as it is.
inviting.
Come
on in
from the cold and slide into the holidays with cool notes of peppermint, roasty
malts, and deep
chocolate.
joe: Deep chocolate.
Chris G: Phoebe
Kates herself.
could not have done it better.
No.
joe: She’s
signing on for gremlins three if you do that, like you got a little
Chris G: you get.
D claw actually endorsing.
joe: All right.
This was fun. Any final thoughts on the gremlins?
Nick: I’d still get one.
Chris G: Yeah.
joe: I don’t know. We get a grim. All right. Let’s go around. You get a gremlin. How good.
Nick: yeah. I am
joe: A gizmo. You don’t want a gremlin. Do you want a gremlin or [01:01:00] the
Geo: are you doing the
caterpillar thing? You’re
joe: gonna do both. You’re in there experimenting.
Nick: know me, I
joe: know me. Oh my
Nick: about the chaos. Midnight
Chris G: buffet,
joe: Yeah.
Nick: raw chicken. and this
gremlin.
Chris G: chicken
is just,
Geo: I did spike.
Nick: They’re like,
Chris G: he had a sweet tooth.
Nick: looks chill. he does.
joe: Yeah,
There’s a
big gremlin that Chris brought along. A gremlin kind of a poster. What? Oh, these are,
they have
Chris G: that’s a cutout.
Yeah,
Yeah.
joe: cut out. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. We’ll put down the, in the newsletter.
Chris G: There was supposed
to be a quote unquote life-size stripe,
and
that’s one of the reasons I think you came to my table at the con And it sold that day.
Oh, wow. And That was a dark. day. That was a dark day
at my house.
joe: Was gone.
Chris G: I put I put a ridiculously high price tag
on it and the guy.
Didn’t care.
He was like, I’m taking it home
today. I was like,
joe: there’s fans, gremlin fans.
Chris G: That’s, man. Yeah.
joe: I missed that. Yeah. By the time I got there early, we got there
Geo: Your artwork is
joe: early. Yeah. I
didn’t see that.
Geo: We
have to put links to
Chris G: Oh,
definitely.
Yeah.
Oh, I appreciate that.
joe: I mean, you [01:02:00] got, not nice segue you skipped over to question,
Geo: oh, that’s,
Chris G: let’s get
joe: you getting a gremlin
or a
Mugi, where you got, where you at?
Chris G: I
Geo: don’t know. I do like
gizmo,
joe: Can you follow the three rules? No. Strictly
Chris G: then
you’re also
getting a gremlin.
joe: Yeah. Maybe
multiple
Chris G: for the neighborhood. Yeah.
Geo: I think for everybody’s
sake. I’m not gonna get one.
joe: You’re not,
Chris. What you got, you’re doing it.
Chris G: I wanna retire in
Florida
where it’s extremely
humid.
joe: There it is.
Chris G: is. For
Earth’s
For Earth’s
wellbeing. I don’t need a mwe in Florida. I don’t need
that. not.
no one needs that.
joe: There’s a, beach right there. I mean, that’s the perfect place. That’s crazy. No, I mean, you’re gonna.
Chris G: get
joe: I don’t even know what happens when you’re in that pot of water.
Chris G: I don’t know. I know they do cook
their
chicken thoroughly.
in Florida.
joe: Speaking of the water, when they fell into the pool, it populated and it spun off new ones, but those new ones didn’t spin off New ones.
Like
it was, did they all pop out?
Chris G: They kind of cut that scene.
joe: And I How many, but you should have had way more than that. They should have drained that pool down with just [01:03:00] keep
like the things on the bottom trying to get out would
keep like, spawning off.
Chris G: One of the Beautiful scenes
was
that Claymation scene
of them all running
outside. Which
had
to be a real bear to
film.
But yeah,
joe: but I
Chris G: I don’t know how many are in that scene. ’cause it’s poorly lit on purpose,
Geo: Yeah. You’re not supposed to know.
Chris G: And the
joe: they filled the movie theater
Chris G: I was about to say Yeah.
joe: But I would expect more than that.
I don’t know. There’s a
lot of water. Is it
Geo: to the movie theater and there went somewhere else.
joe: Is it a water saturation point? But they all congregate in the movie theater. That’s how they allall
got
Geo: Joe, Are you gonna, get a, Are you gonna get a gremlin? Come on.
joe: No, I don’t think I want to
Nick: you don’t want,
Chris G: to
My way.
Geo: I
was gonna say, if he said yes. I’d be mad because
I’ve been wanting a dog for
years. I’m not getting a m would get,
a gribble,
joe: No, I’m not getting the gremlin. I’m sorry. I just don’t, I think the, I don’t know.
The rules are wrong. Don’t
Chris G: even
Nick: No, the rules are trash,
joe: Yeah. I, I think it’s a
weapon. So I’m
gonna say no, We
gotta
Nick: much
Geo: so Nick. [01:04:00] Nick, it’s all up to you.
joe: the one that’s
gonna bring, one person brings a weapon in and that’s it. We’re
done.
Nick: We knew this. Yeah.
joe: Northwest
Indiana, Chicago land. We’re done.
And then other people will find a cute, oh, look at this. I know. I’m
Nick: I’m gonna sell
them.
joe: And see that’s the problem.
Chris G: I’m
Nick: gonna
make my
joe: look at that. No. Cool. Chris you got something,
thought bubbling
Chris G: was
going to say what was was
Mr. Pelzer like your stepfather or
something?
it, it runs in the
family. I like that.
Yeah.
joe: Chris, do you have last thoughts things going on in the month of December
or
where to find your
Chris G: art. yeah. I am on Instagram. I’m on the grams as
the kids
say at
the boxing glove
artist
on Instagram. I’m
all over Facebook.
I’m all over. I’m all over.
I’m, they’re
Nick: calling it the ham now. The
joe: The ham.
Chris G: The
Insta ham?
Nick: No, just ham. I’m on the ham now.
Chris G: On the ham.
It could
joe: be on the lamb. I don’t know.
Chris G: That’s, a, that’s an old [01:05:00] radio.
that
the
neighbor’s creepy uncle
has. in
joe: I know. What are we doing now? You know,
Nick: just
joe: Hey, come in my garage.
Geo: never know. You
never,
joe: I and my ham.
Chris G: ham.
I’m gonna Show you
A nice shiny
ham
Geo: We might all be on the ham radio pretty
Chris G: soon
Nick: And
joe: undercooked chicken. Mrs.
Pelcher,
Chris G: please
cook
your chicken.
joe: Yes. She
Nick: a spy. She wasn’t a chef.
joe: No, she didn’t have to be. She
Chris G: was making some banging Cookies though. Banging
cookies. Those
Geo: Did look good
joe: weird appliances. That didn’t work.
Geo: Bill.
joe: Yeah. Cool.
Geo: All right.
Chris G: I want to thank
you guys for
having me. on.
thank you Um, I, I did a bunch
of research on what you guys do. And I’m a big fan.
And you. could
had anyone today and and you chose
me. and I Appreciate that.
joe: You’re a Gremlin
Chris G: Super very much.
joe: you’re here. Thank you for coming down. Thank you for sharing. We gotta get
Chris G: was a cinematic
masterpiece.
just wanted to end
Geo: I agree. I
agree.
Chris G: sounds
joe: like you’re might be get that
call.
Chris G: I’ll be right back.
I’ll be right back.
Nick: be
Geo: Anytime.[01:06:00]
Chris G: Thank you
guys very much.
joe: Thank you. We are gonna wrap it up here. Go out and watch Gremlins, maybe watch a New Batch, maybe watch the animated series or binge it all.
Nick: All in
joe: one all in one day.
Chris G: That’s a
joe: Don’t eat
after midnight
Chris G: don’t eat.
Geo: And especially
not raw chicken.
joe: yeah, don’t eat raw chicken.
Please don’t. Yes. But
Chris G: Whether gremlins is real or not. That’s right.
That’s just a life policy.
joe: Stay hydrated. I’m Joe.
Nick: You got
joe: You got Nick. We got Nick Georgia. We got Georgia
Chris G: and
Nick: and we went down some.
hole.
We
joe: went down some holes. Stay safe, stay gremlin free out there. We love you. Cheers.
Nick: Bye-Bye.
